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`In The Matter Of:
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`TODD S. HYMAN - 3/3/2014
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`UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
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`SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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`UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
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` Plaintiff,
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` -against- No. 1:13-CV-06326-TPG
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`PREVEZON HOLDINGS LTD.,
`PREVEZON ALEXANDER, LLC,
`PREVEZON SOHO USA, LLC,
`PREVEZON SEVEN USA, LLC,
`PREVEZON PINE USA, LLC,
`PREVEZON 1711 USA, LLC,
`PREVEZON 1810, LLC,
`PREVEZON 2009 USA, LLC,
`PREVEZON 2011 USA, LLC,
`FERENCOI INVESTMENTS, LTD.,
`KOLEVINS, LTD.,
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` Defendant.
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` March 3, 2014
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` Videotaped Deposition of TODD S. HYMAN,
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` taken by Defendants, at the offices of
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`1-800-325-3376
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`Merrill Corporation - New York
`www.merrillcorp.com/law
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`ANY AND ALL ASSETS OF PREVEZON
`HOLDINGS, LTD.,
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`ANY AND ALL ASSETS OF PREVEZON ALEXANDER,
`LLC, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ALL
`RIGHT, TITLE AND INTEREST IN THE REAL
`PROPERTY AND APPURTENANCES KNOW AS
`ALEXANDER CONDOMINIUM, 250 EAST 49TH
`STREET, NEW YORK, NEW YORK 10017, UNIT
`COMM3 ("250 EAST 49TH STREET, UNIT COMM3")
`AND ANY AND ALL FUNDS ON DEPOSIT IN BANK
`OF AMERICA ACCOUNT NUMBER 4830 4456 8293
`HELD IN THE NAME OF PREVEZON ALEXANDER
`LLC (THE "PREVEZON ALEXANDER ACCOUNT"),
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`ANY AND ALL ASSETS OF PREVEZON SOHO USA,
`LLC, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ANY AND
`ALL FUNDS ON DEPOSIT IN BANK OF AMERICA
`ACCOUNT NUMBER 4830 1515 8084 HELD IN THE
`NAME OF PREVEZON SOHO USA LLC (THE
`"PREVEZON SOHO ACCOUNT"),
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`ANY AND ALL ASSETS OF PREVEZON SEVEN USA,
`LLC, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ALL
`RIGHT, TITLE AND INTEREST IN THE REAL
`PROPERTY AND APPURTENANCES KNOWN AS 127
`SEVENTH AVENUE A/K/A 166 WEST 18TH STREET,
`RETAIL UNIT #2, NEW YORK, NEW YORK ("127
`SEVENTH AVENUE, RETAIL UNIT 2") AND ANY
`AND ALL FUNDS ON DEPOSIT IN BANK OF
`AMERICA ACCOUNT NUMBER 4830 4174 6021
`HELD IN THE NAME OF PREVEZON SEVEN USA
`LLC (THE "PREVEZON SEVEN ACCOUNT"),
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`ANY AND ALL ASSETS OF PREVEZON PINE USA,
`LLC, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ALL
`RIGHT, TITLE AND INTEREST IN THE REAL
`PROPERTY AND APPURTENANCES KNOWN AS THE
`20 PINE STREET CONDOMINIUM, 20 PINE
`STREET, NEW YORK, NEW YORK 10005, UNIT
`2308 ("20 PINE STREET, UNIT 2308"),
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`ANY AND ALL ASSETS OF PREVEZON 1711 USA,
`LLC, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ALL
`RIGHT, TITLE AND INTEREST IN THE REAL
`PROPERTY AND APPURTENANCES KNOWN AS THE
`20 PINE STREET CONDOMINIUM, 20 PINE
`STREET, NEW YORK, NEW YORK 10005, UNIT
`1711, ("20 PINE STREET, UNIT 1711"),
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`ANY AND ALL ASSETS OF PREVEZON 1810, LLC,
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`ANY AND ALL ASSETS OF PREVEZON 2009 USA,
`LLC, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ALL
`RIGHT, TITLE AND INTEREST IN THE REAL
`PROPERTY AND APPURTENANCES KNOWN AS THE
`20 PINE STREET CONDOMINIUM, 20 PINE
`STREET, NEW YORK, NEW YORK 10005, UNIT
`2009 ("20 PINE STREET, UNIT 2009"),
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`ANY AND ALL ASSETS OF PREVEZON 2011 USA,
`LLC, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ALL
`RIGHT, TITLE AND INTEREST IN THE REAL
`PROPERTY AND APPURTENANCES KNOWN AS THE
`20 PINE STREET CONDOMINIUM, 20 PINE
`STREET, NEW YORK, NEW YORK 10005, UNIT
`1816 ("20 PINE STREET, UNIT 1816"),
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`ANY AND ALL ASSETS OF FERENCOI
`INVESTMENTS, LTD.,
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`ANY AND ALL ASSETS OF KOLEVINS, LTD.,
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`and all property traceable thereto,
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` Defendants in Rem.
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` A P P E A R A N C E S:
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`UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
`U.S. ATTORNEY'S OFFICE
`SOUTH DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
`Attorneys for Plaintiff
` One Saint Andrews's Plaza
` New York, New York 10007
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`BY: ANDREW C. ADAMS, ESQ.
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` CHRISTINE I. MAGDO, ESQ.
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`BAKER & HOSTETLER LLP
`Attorneys for Defendants
` 45 Rockefeller Plaza
` New York, New York 10111
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`BY: JOHN W. MOSCOW, ESQ.
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` NICK ROSE, ESQ.
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` JESSIE M. GABRIEL, ESQ.
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` LOURA ALAVERDI, ESQ.
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`BAKER & HOSTETLER LLP
` Washington Square
` 1050 Connecticut Avenue, N.W.
` Washington, D.C. 20036
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`BY: MARK A. CYMROT, ESQ.
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`A P P E A R A N C E S:
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`BAKER BOTTS LLP
`Attorneys for Defendants
` 30 Rockefeller Plaza
` New York, New York 10112
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`BY: SETH T. TAUBE, ESQ.
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` NICHOLAS MARGIDA, ESQ.
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` THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Good morning.
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` City, New York 10014. Today's date is
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` Monday, March 3, 2014, and the time is
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` We are at the offices of Baker
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` City, New York, to take the videotaped
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` deposition of Mr. Todd Hyman, in the
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` matter of United States of America
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` versus Prevezon Holdings Limited, et
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` al., in the United States District
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` Court, Southern District of New York,
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` Case No. 1:13-CV-06326-TPG.
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` Will all counsel present please
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` MR. MOSCOW: John W. Moscow,
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` Baker & Hostetler, representing the
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` MR. CYMROT: Mark Cymrot, Baker
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` MR. TAUBE: Seth Taube and
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` MS. ALAVERDI: Loura Alaverdi
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` MS. GABRIEL: Jessie Gabriel,
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` MR. ADAMS: Andrew Adams for the
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` THE VIDEO OPERATOR: Thank you.
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` Will you the court reporter,
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` Eric Finz of Merrill Legal Solutions,
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` please swear in the witness.
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`T O D D S. H Y M A N,
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` MR. MOSCOW:
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` Q. Could you tell us your full
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` A. My name is Todd Steven Hyman.
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` Q. What is your occupation?
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` Q. For how long have you worked for
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` A. Approximately fourteen years.
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` Q. In what capacities?
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` Q. For?
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` Q. When did you work there?
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` Q. You will be speaking on behalf
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` MR. ADAMS: Objection.
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` A. I verified, I'm the person who
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` Q. When the complaint was verified
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` Q. What accounting experience did
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` Q. When was that?
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` Q. Direct your attention to Exhibit
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` 1. What is that?
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` A. This is a copy of the original
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` verified complaint.
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` Q. And whose name is signed on the
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` verification?
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` A. That would be my name.
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` Q. It would be, but is it?
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` Q. Did you sign it?
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` Q. Did you sign the verification on
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` Q. Direct your attention to Exhibit
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` 3. What is that?
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` Q. Direct your attention to Exhibit
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` 4. What is that?
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` Q. Now, do those all -- those four
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` Q. And is that the United States
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` versus Prevezon Holdings Limited, Prevezon
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` Q. You're here to speak, as I said,
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` Who investigated this case for
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` the United States?
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` Q. Are you the person who
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` Q. And what did the -- did you work
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` Q. And what did the investigators
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` Q. Inside or outside?
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` Q. Did you interview any direct
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` Q. Did the United States interview
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` Q. Okay. Let me stop you there.
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` We're asking what happened. So the fact
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` A. Oh, I looked at the recorded
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` Q. And these are for properties
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` A. Prevezon.
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` Q. The companies named Prevezon
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` A. No, I did not.
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` A. Yes, I did.
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` Q. Okay. What assets of Ferencoi
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` Q. When the protective -- do you
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` A. Yes.
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` Q. Take a look at it.
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` A. Sure.
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` Okay.
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` Q. Does that freeze any and all
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` A. Yes, it does.
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` Q. Does the United States know what
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` it was freezing when it froze it?
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` A. No.
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` Q. Does it freeze all of the assets
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` of Kolevins?
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` those assets were when they froze them?
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` A. Not all of them.
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` Q. What assets does the United
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` States now know that Kolevins owned that
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` MR. ADAMS: If you know.
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` MR. MOSCOW: Excuse me, I'm
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` time for him to be in a position to
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` fair request and will be granted.
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` Is that your request?
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` MR. ADAMS: If you need more
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` time to answer that question, request
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` THE WITNESS: May I have more
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` time to answer that question?
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` MR. MOSCOW: Sure. After you
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` have had an opportunity to consult
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` a problem.
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` THE WITNESS: Okay.
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`BY MR. MOSCOW:
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` Q. Now, as to Prevezon Holdings,
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` what assets other than its interests in
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` Prevezon Alexander and the other Prevezon
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` named companies did you know you were
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` freezing with the freeze order?
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` A. Well, there were three bank
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` Q. Were they in the name of
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