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` JUDGE COCKS: Hello. Good
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`afternoon. This is Judge Cocks, and I have
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` Do we have counsel on the call
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`now -- do we have counsel for petitioner?
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` Do we have counsel for respondent?
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` MR. YIRGA: Yes, Your Honor.
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` JUDGE COCKS: Is this Mr. Yirga?
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` MR. YIRGA: Yes.
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` JUDGE COCKS: Okay. Thank you.
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`Well, we are going to wait a few minutes until
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`as well. Please stay on the line.
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` MR. YIRGA: Okay.
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` JUDGE COCKS: Hello. This is Judge
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`Cocks again. Do we have counsel for the
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`petitioner on the call yet?
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` MS. LI: Yes. Sorry. This is Shui
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`Li from Robins Kaplan for petitioner, Andersen.
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` JUDGE COCKS: All right. Thank
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`you, Ms. Li. And we have Judges Arbes and
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`you're still on the phone?
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` MR. YIRGA: Yes. This is John
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`Yirga for respondent. Also with me is George
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` JUDGE COCKS: Okay. Thank you,
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`Mr. Yirga. I think you probably know the
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` MR. YIRGA: Yes, Your Honor.
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` JUDGE COCKS: Okay. So this is a
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`parties that they're aware the hearing is
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`on November 14th.
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` Let me hear from both sides. Ms.
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`Li?
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` MS. LI: Yes.
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` JUDGE COCKS: And, Mr. Yirga?
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` MR. YIRGA: Yes, Your Honor, we're
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` JUDGE COCKS: I apologize for the
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` Mr. Yirga, why don't you start and
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` MR. YIRGA: Yes, Your Honor. We
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`demonstratives as well as the display devices.
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`issues, unless you wish to talk about them or
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`Ms. Li does, I think are relatively resolved.
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` JUDGE COCKS: Why don't we go ahead
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`Ms. Li. I mean, if the parties do wish to
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`discuss at the hearing, we can potentially do
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`that, but I think I and the panel would prefer
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`on the demonstratives. Do you have objections
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` MS. LI: Yes, Your Honor, we do,
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` Do you wish to talk about these --
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`our specific objections now or --
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` JUDGE COCKS: Well, so when you say
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` MR. MORTON: Your Honor?
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` JUDGE COCKS: Yes.
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` MR. MORTON: Your Honor, if I could
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`interject. This is Mr. Morton. My sincere
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` JUDGE COCKS: Okay.
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` MR. MORTON: But I am here.
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` JUDGE COCKS: Okay. Thanks, Mr.
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` MR. MORTON: Yes.
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` JUDGE COCKS: Okay. So I had just
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` MR. YIRGA: Sure. Thank you, Your
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`guess, our position was is that we felt that
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`that we really thought was, you know, really
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`the misleading or mischaracterization of
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`testimony or evidence that has been discussed
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` JUDGE COCKS: And let me ask, how
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` MR. YIRGA: I would probably say
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`wouldn't take up the board's time now. But if
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` JUDGE COCKS: Okay.
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` MR. MORTON: Your Honor, if I
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` JUDGE COCKS: Yes.
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` MR. MORTON: -- and I thought --
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`that's what I thought the agreement was between
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`the parties. I thought we had nothing to
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` Obviously, if they want to argue
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` JUDGE COCKS: Okay.
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` MR. YIRGA: And that's --
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` JUDGE COCKS: Thank you,
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`briefing that's already been filed.
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`think -- why don't we do this. If there is
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` MR. YIRGA: Yes, Your Honor.
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` JUDGE COCKS: And, Mr. Morton, or,
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`Ms. Li?
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` MR. MORTON: Yes, Your Honor.
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` JUDGE COCKS: Okay. Thank you.
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`Okay. So those were the first two points that
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`heard. I just want to verify. At the very
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`beginning, I note that there was a
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`typographical error in the trial hearing order
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`on the second page identified November 18th as
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`14th as reflected in the order section and as
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` Okay. So it sounds like we've
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` MR. YIRGA: Yes, Your Honor, just
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`if they're in -- based off of the past orders
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`and reading the guidance outline for the
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`in there that stated that we were to ask and we
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`are certainly open and want to hear if there's
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`any other issues that the board wishes for the
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` JUDGE COCKS: And, yes, we do
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`June -- the June -- I can't remember -- the
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`June drawings, which there was some dispute
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`about the date, and also the nature of the
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`stop, which seems to be becoming a fairly
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`want to hear each side's take on the
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`disagreement.
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` MR. YIRGA: Okay. Thank you, Your
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`Honor.
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` JUDGE COCKS: And you had a second
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` MR. YIRGA: Yeah, the second and
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`you felt or the board felt that it was
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`witnesses during the testimony.
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` JUDGE COCKS: At this time, the
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`panel believes that the transcript of the
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`testimony should be sufficient. Let me turn
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`the question back to you. Do you believe that
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` MR. YIRGA: No, that's fine, Your
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` JUDGE COCKS: All right. Well, I
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`appreciate the opportunity, but at this time, I
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`believe the transcripts will be sufficient for
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`the panel.
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` MR. YIRGA: Okay.
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` JUDGE COCKS: Okay. Any other
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` MR. YIRGA: Just the final one was
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`just the fact that the Andersen -- counsel for
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` MR. MORTON: We are.
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` JUDGE COCKS: Yes. Okay. I
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`the prior call and order to be complied with,
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`so we expect that the prototype will be there,
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`and it sounds like it will, so --
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` MR. YIRGA: Then that's all for
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`respondent then, Your Honor. Thank you.
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` JUDGE COCKS: All right. Thank
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`you, Mr. Yirga.
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` M r . M o r t o n , o r , M s . L i , a n y t h i n g
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`y o u w o u l d l i k e t o r a i s e t o d a y ?
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` M R . M O R T O N : N o t h i n g f r o m m e .
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` J U D G E C O C K S : O k a y . I ' m g o i n g t o
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`c o n f e r w i t h m y c o l l e a g u e s , s e e i f w e h a v e a n y
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`o t h e r q u e s t i o n s f o r t h e p a r t i e s b e f o r e t h e
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`h e a r i n g n e x t w e e k , s o p l e a s e s t a y o n t h e c a l l .
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` ( R e c e s s t a k e n . )
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` J U D G E C O C K S : O k a y . T h e p a n e l i s
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`b a c k . W e h a v e n o t h i n g f u r t h e r t o d a y a n d l o o k
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` I, Patricia L. Cordiak, do hereby
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`certify that as such Reporter I took down in
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`Stenotypy all of the proceedings had in the
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`foregoing transcript; that I have transcribed
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`my said Stenotype notes into typewritten form
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`as appears in the foregoing transcript; that
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`said transcript is the complete form of the
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`proceedings had in said cause and constitutes a
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`true and correct transcript therein.
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` Patricia L. Cordiak, Notary Public
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` within and for the State of Ohio
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`My commission expires December 17, 2020.
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