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`· · · · · · BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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`· · ·ZIPIT WIRELESS INC.,· · · · · · · · IPR2014-01509
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`· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·8,190,694
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`· · · · · · · Deposition of ARTHUR T. BRODY, PH.D.
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`· · · · · · · · · · Wednesday, May 27, 2015
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`· · · · · · · · · · Reported by: Karen Young
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`·1· · · · · · · A P P E A R A N C E S
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`·2· ·ON BEHALF OF BLACKBERRY CORP.:
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`·3· · · · THOMAS C. YEBERNETSKY, ESQUIRE
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`·4· · · · OBLON, SPIVAK, McCLELLAND,
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`11· · · · STEPHEN R. RISLEY, ESQUIRE
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`12· · · · ROBERT B. DULANEY III, ESQUIRE
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`13· · · · SMITH RISLEY TEMPEL SANTOS LLC
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`14· · · · Two Ravinia Drive, Suite 700
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`15· · · · Atlanta, Georgia 30346
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`16· ·Exhibit #2002· ·Memorandum Opinion and Order in
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`17· · · · ·Makor Issues & Rights vs. Tellabs, Inc....· 658
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`·7· · · · Q· · Good morning, Dr. Brody.
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`·8· · · · A· · Good morning.
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`·9· · · · Q· · We're here in a deposition much like last
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`10· ·week.· I'm going to ask you questions.· If you do not
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`11· ·understand a question, please let me know and I'll
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`12· ·rephrase it if necessary.· Is that fair?
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`13· · · · A· · Yes, it is.
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`14· · · · Q· · And if you answer a question, I'm going to
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`15· ·assume that you understood the question.· Is that
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`16· ·fair?
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`17· · · · A· · Yes.
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`18· · · · Q· · Is there any reason that this deposition
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`19· ·can't take place today, such as medication or your
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`20· ·health?
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`21· · · · A· · No, there isn't.
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`22· · · · Q· · If you need a break during the deposition,
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`23· ·please let me know and we can see what we can work
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`24· ·out, but during the breaks, just like last week, the
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`·1· ·the substance of your testimony.· Do you understand
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`·2· ·that?
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`·3· · · · A· · Yes, I do.
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`·4· · · · Q· · And you understand that you're under oath
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`·5· ·here today.
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`·6· · · · A· · Yes, I do.
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`·7· · · · Q· · What did you do to prepare for the
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`·8· ·deposition here today?
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`·9· · · · A· · I reviewed the declarations I submitted in
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`10· ·the -- I guess it's for the '678 patent and the '694
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`11· ·patent, and I looked at the prior art that I relied
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`12· ·upon for those declarations, and I also met with
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`13· ·counsel yesterday.
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`14· · · · Q· · Okay.· Is that the counsel here with you
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`15· ·today?
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`16· · · · A· · Yes.
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`17· · · · Q· · How long did you meet?
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`18· · · · A· · Six hours.
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`19· · · · Q· · Did you look at any other documents either
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`20· ·at the meeting with counsel or prior to the meeting
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`21· ·with counsel other than documents that you relied on
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`22· ·in forming your opinions in your declaration?
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`23· · · · A· · Yes, I did.
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`24· · · · Q· · What documents were those?
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`25· · · · A· · The -- actually, I guess it's called the
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`·1· ·institution of the petition.· That's what the PTAB
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`·2· ·says, you know, is going -- is going to go forward.
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`·3· · · · Q· · Okay, and by PTAB, you mean the Patent
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`·4· ·Trial and Appeal Board, under whose auspices these
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`·5· ·proceedings are going forward?
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`·6· · · · A· · That's correct.
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`·7· · · · Q· · Anything else?
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`·8· · · · A· · Not that I recall.
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`·9· · · · Q· · Did you review any documents from the
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`10· ·patent litigation pending between these same two
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`11· ·parties in the Southern District -- excuse me,
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`12· ·District of South Carolina?
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`13· · · · A· · Only if the document was something that was
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`14· ·in my declarations.
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`15· · · · Q· · You're aware of the patent litigation
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`16· ·pending between Blackberry and Zipit in South
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`17· ·Carolina, correct?
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`18· · · · A· · Yes.· Well, I don't know if it's South
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`19· ·Carolina, but I know that there is a litigation.
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`20· · · · Q· · You've been retained as an expert for
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`21· ·Blackberry in that litigation, correct?
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`22· · · · A· · Yes, I have.
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`23· · · · Q· · Are you still retained as an expert for
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`24· ·Blackberry in that litigation?
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`25· · · · A· · As far as I know, yes.
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`·3· ·terminated.
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`·4· · · · A· · Not that I'm aware of, no.
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`·5· · · · Q· · You prepared a claim construction expert
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`·6· ·report in that District Court litigation, didn't you?
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`·7· · · · A· · I don't recall.
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`·8· · · · Q· · You don't recall?
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`·9· · · · A· · No.
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`10· · · · Q· · Was that something you reviewed in
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`11· ·preparing for this deposition?
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`12· · · · A· · No.
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`13· · · · Q· · Was that something you would have reviewed
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`14· ·when preparing your opinions in either the
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`16· · · · A· · I don't believe I did, no.
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`17· · · · Q· · Okay.· I'm going to -- we'll do a little
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`18· ·document housekeeping so we can be talking on the
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`19· ·same page during the deposition.· I'm going to show
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`20· ·you what's been marked as Exhibit 1001 in the IPR
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`21· ·2014-1508.· Do you recognize that, sir?
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`22· · · · A· · Yes, I believe this is the U.S. patent
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`23· ·8,086,678 issued to Heredia et al.
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`·1· · · · A· · I don't recall the IPR number.
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`·2· · · · Q· · For which you have prepared a declaration.
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`·3· · · · A· · Yes, I have.
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`·4· · · · Q· · Go ahead and show you what's been marked as
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`·5· ·Exhibit 1003 in that same IPR.· Do you recognize
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`·7· · · · A· · Yes, this is the -- what I call the main
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`·8· ·body of the declaration with respect to the '678
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`·9· ·patent.· It has -- I believe it's Attachment A, which
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`10· ·is my C.V.· It does not include any of the numbered
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`11· ·exhibits I've referenced in the document.
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`12· · · · Q· · Okay.· For Exhibit 1001, the U.S. patent
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`13· ·8,086,678, if I refer to that as the '678 patent
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`14· ·throughout this deposition, will you understand what
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`16· · · · A· · Yes.
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`17· · · · Q· · Okay.· And the same for the Exhibit 1003
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`18· ·that's there in front of you, if I refer to that as
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`19· ·your '678 declaration, will you understand what I'm
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`20· ·talking about throughout this deposition?
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`21· · · · A· · Yes.
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`22· · · · Q· · Okay.· You said you believe it's the main
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`24· · · · A· · Yes.
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`·1· ·that's missing from this declaration?
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`·2· · · · A· · Well, as I said, I view the declaration as
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`·3· ·a whole to include any attachments and exhibits that
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`·4· ·I reference, and the exhibits are not included here.
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`·5· · · · Q· · Okay.· Turning to page 51 of the '678
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`·6· ·declaration, it says Attachment A, correct?
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`·7· · · · A· · Yes.
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`·8· · · · Q· · And behind Attachment A is a copy of your
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`·9· ·C.V., correct?
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`10· · · · A· · Right, that's one attachment, yes.
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`11· · · · Q· · I'll just state for the record, Exhibit
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`12· ·1003, this is how it was produced to us.· It was an
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`13· ·exhibit to a petition, so this is the entirety of
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`14· ·Exhibit 1003 in this IPR as far as we're aware.
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`16· · · · A· · Well, let me just point out, I don't know
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`17· ·if that is a legal thing, but I do contain a
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`19· ·considered that I did provide, and therefore, since
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`20· ·they were provided and I believe they were produced,
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`21· ·I consider that an integral part of my declaration.
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`22· · · · Q· · Okay, so you're talking about paragraph 4
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`23· ·in your '678 declaration?
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`24· · · · A· · Exactly.· As you see in paragraph 4, I have
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`·1· ·and in the background section, I also have exhibits
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`·2· ·that are included in setting forth what the -- what
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`·3· ·conditions existed at the time of the patent.
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`·4· · · · Q· · Okay.· So the documents that you're listing
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`·5· ·in Exhibit 4 -- excuse me, in paragraph 4 of the '678
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`·6· ·declaration, that's what you're referring to as the
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`·7· ·exhibits that you are -- consider part of your
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`·9· · · · A· · Right, and also go to the background
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`10· ·section starting section 7, where there are several
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`11· ·other exhibits listed.
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`12· · · · Q· · Okay.· Could you turn to page 50 of your
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`13· ·'678 declaration please?· Your declaration is signed
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`14· ·under penalty of perjury, correct?
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`15· · · · A· · That is correct.
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`16· · · · Q· · So in your mind, is that the same as being
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`17· ·under oath, or is it any difference?
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`18· · · · A· · I don't know if there's a legal difference.
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`19· ·To me it means that I'm saying that everything here
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`20· ·is true and correct.
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`21· · · · Q· · And this was signed September 16th, 2014?
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`22· · · · A· · That's correct.
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`23· · · · Q· · Are the statements in your declaration
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`24· ·still true and correct to the best of your knowledge?
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`25· · · · A· · Yes, my opinions as stated are -- are
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`·2· · · · Q· · Okay.· Well, not just your opinions.· Are
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`·6· · · · A· · Except for some potential typos, yes.
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`·7· · · · Q· · The substance of the statements, are they
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`·8· ·still true and correct to the best of your knowledge?
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`·9· · · · A· · Yes.
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`10· · · · Q· · Okay.· Now I'm going to show you what's
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`11· ·been marked as Exhibit 1001 in IPR 2014-1509.· Do you
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`12· ·recognize that, sir?
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`13· · · · A· · Yes, I do.
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`14· · · · Q· · Is this U.S. patent 8,190,694?
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`15· · · · A· · Yes, it is, issued to Heredia et al.
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`16· · · · Q· · Okay.· So if I call this the '694 patent
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`17· ·throughout this deposition, will you understand what
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`18· ·I'm talking about?
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`19· · · · A· · Yes, I will.
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`20· · · · Q· · This Exhibit 1001?
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`21· · · · A· · Yes, I will.
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`22· · · · Q· · Okay.· Is this the patent that you provided
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`23· ·a declaration for in the IPR 2014-1509 case?
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`24· · · · A· · Yes, I did.· I also provided a declaration
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`·2· ·Exhibit 1003 in IPR 2014-1509.· Do you recognize
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`·3· ·that, sir?
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`·4· · · · A· · Yes, this is the declaration I submitted in
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`·5· ·regards to the '694 patent.
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`·6· · · · Q· · Okay, so if I call this, Exhibit 1003, the
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`·7· ·'694 declaration throughout this deposition, will you
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`·8· ·understand what I'm referring to, sir?
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`·9· · · · A· · Yes, I will.
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`10· · · · Q· · I'd like you to turn to page 86 of the '694
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`11· ·declaration please.· That's again your signature page
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`12· ·for this declaration, correct?
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`13· · · · A· · Page 86, yes.
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`14· · · · Q· · And again, you declare under penalty of
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`15· ·perjury that the contents are true and correct?
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`16· · · · A· · That is correct.
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`17· · · · Q· · Your same understanding as we just
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`18· ·discussed with the '678 declaration, that this
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`19· ·declaration's under oath and that the contents are
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`20· ·true and correct?
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`21· · · · A· · Again, I don't know if there's a difference
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`23· ·of perjury, but I am stating that everything is true
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`24· ·and correct.
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`25· · · · Q· · And this is also dated September 16th,
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`·1· ·2014, correct?
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`·2· · · · A· · If the other one was, which I don't
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`·3· ·remember, I believe they were both the same date, so
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`·4· ·yes, September 16th, 2014, that's what the date is
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`·5· ·here.
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`·6· · · · Q· · Okay.· Are the statements in the '694
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`·7· ·declaration still true and correct to the best of
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`·8· ·your knowledge?
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`·9· · · · A· · The statements except for some typos that
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`10· ·are fairly obvious, my opinions and the statements
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`11· ·are correct.
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`12· · · · Q· · Okay.· Are you aware of anything that calls
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`13· ·into question any of the statements or opinions that
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`14· ·you rendered in the '694 declaration?
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`15· · · · A· · No, I'm not.
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`16· · · · Q· · And turn to the next page, 87, in that
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`17· ·declaration, sir.· It says Attachment A, and then the
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`18· ·attachment is another copy of your C.V., correct?
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`19· · · · A· · That is correct.
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`20· · · · Q· · Are you aware of any differences between
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`21· ·the C.V.s in the two declarations?
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`22· · · · A· · They should be identical.
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`23· · · · Q· · I guess was that the intent, that they are
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`24· ·identical?
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`25· · · · A· · I believe I gave one C.V., yes.
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`·1· · · · Q· · While we're looking at your C.V., if you
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`·2· ·could turn to page 88 of that '694 declaration, which
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`·3· ·is I believe the first page of your C.V., it
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`·4· ·indicates that you received an undergraduate degree
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`·5· ·in physics in 1973, correct?
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`·6· · · · A· · That is correct, from City College of New
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`·7· ·York.
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`·8· · · · Q· · And then a Ph.D. in physics in 1978,
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`·9· ·correct?
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`10· · · · A· · That's correct.
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`11· · · · Q· · Okay, what was the focus of study for your
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`12· ·Ph.D.?
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`13· · · · A· · The focus of study was experimental
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`14· ·high-energy particle physics, I guess what the layman
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`15· ·would sort of be resonating to now is the Higgs boson
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`16· ·or God particle that one would see in the newspaper
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`17· ·periodically that's claimed to have been discovered
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`18· ·in Europe at CERN.
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`19· · · · Q· · Did you have a dissertation as part of --
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`20· · · · A· · Yes, yes, I did.
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`21· · · · Q· · What was the focus of the dissertation?
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`22· · · · A· · Let me see if I can remember the title. I
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`23· ·believe it was Proton and Pion, Neutron Interactions
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`24· ·at 100 and 400 GeV slash C.· That's capital G lower
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`25· ·case E capital V.
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`·1· · · · Q· · Okay, and then after you received your
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`·2· ·Ph.D., it appears you began working at Syracuse
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`·3· ·University high-energy physics; is that correct?
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`·4· · · · A· · That is correct.
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`·5· · · · Q· · Were you working -- were you working for
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`·6· ·them while you were also pursuing your Ph.D. or was
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`·7· ·that after your Ph.D.?
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`·8· · · · A· · No, that was after my Ph.D.
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`·9· · · · Q· · Okay, and what was the focus of your work
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`10· ·at Syracuse?
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`11· · · · A· · The focus of my work at Syracuse is I -- I
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`12· ·made, with a few other people, a particle detector
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`13· ·for use at the Cornell storage rings in Ithaca, New
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`14· ·York, which was part of the collaboration with
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`15· ·Harvard, Rutgers, Syracuse, Rochester.· I forgot,
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`16· ·there was one or two more -- other universities, and
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`17· ·we would study -- we were studying what was then
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`18· ·called the B-Meson physics.· That's capital B dash
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`19· ·capital M-E-S-O-N.
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`20· · · · Q· · Were you also teaching as part of that?
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`21· · · · A· · I had graduate students who I was --
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`22· ·responsibility for but I was not teaching.
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`23· · · · Q· · What do you mean, you had responsibility
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`24· ·for?
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`25· · · · A· · I was helping direct their studies as they
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`·1· ·were going through their Ph.D.s.
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`·2· · · · Q· · In the area of physics, I assume?
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`·3· · · · A· · Same area of physics, yes.
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`·4· · · · Q· · And then it appears that you began working
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`·5· ·for AT&T Bell Labs in 1981 first as a member of the
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`·6· ·technical staff, correct?
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`·7· · · · A· · That is correct.
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`·8· · · · Q· · And according to your C.V., you were -- the
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`·9· ·focus of that work was provisioning products and
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`10· ·procedures for leased line service assurance?
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`11· · · · A· · Right, initially I was part of testing what
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`12· ·were then the high-speed data lines that people were
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`13· ·using to connect their computers, and it required a
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`14· ·special test system and a special call center that
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`15· ·handled the troubles coming in from people, and we
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`16· ·also did some testing to make sure that things were
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`17· ·running properly.
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`18· · · · Q· · Okay, and then you left AT&T in 1985,
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`19· ·correct?
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`20· · · · A· · Well, that was -- there was another title
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`21· ·at AT&T.· I was promoted to -- I was a technical
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`22· ·manager and I was responsible for a group responsible
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`23· ·for integrating what were then called digital
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`24· ·switching and transmission products.
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`25· · · · Q· · Okay.· But then you left AT&T in 1985?
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`·1· · · · A· · Correct.
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`·2· · · · Q· · When in 1985?· Do you recall?
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`·3· · · · A· · No, I don't remember the exact month.· It
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`·4· ·may be in here I would think.· Let me see.· Not -- it
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`·5· ·was sometime mid-year '85.
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`·6· · · · Q· · And then next you were vice president of
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`·7· ·marketing and sales at Technicom Systems, Inc.,
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`·8· ·correct?
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`·9· · · · A· · Well, that was my final title.
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`10· · · · Q· · Okay.· So at some point in 1985, did you
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`11· ·join Technicom Systems, Inc.?
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`12· · · · A· · Yes.
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`13· · · · Q· · Okay.· Was that immediately after you left
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`14· ·AT&T or was there some gap?
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`15· · · · A· · That was immediately after.
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`16· · · · Q· · And you said your final title was VP of
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`17· ·marketing and sales?
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`18· · · · A· · Yes.
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`19· · · · Q· · And Technicom provided network monitoring,
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`20· ·cable pressurization and loop test products?
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`21· · · · A· · That's correct.· The cable pressurization
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`22· ·was an old technology, but they had developed some
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`23· ·newer means of how to monitor the equipment, and also
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`24· ·there was loop test products, which if you have a
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`25· ·problem and you call 611 technically, you say I have
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`·1· ·a problem, the systems that sit back there and
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`·2· ·diagnose your problem and say problem's in your house
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`·3· ·wiring or the problem's our problem and decides where
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`·4· ·to send the person, we had products for how to deal
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`·5· ·with all of that.
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`·6· · · · Q· · What do you mean by air pressurization
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`·7· ·systems for fiber optic cables?
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`·8· · · · A· · In the older cities in the United States,
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`·9· ·particularly, say, New York, when they originally put
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`10· ·cables in the ground, the cables were called paper
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`11· ·pulp cables.· So you would have a cable that could be
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`12· ·six inches across or three inches across that could
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`13· ·literally have a thousand copper lines in it, twisted
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`14· ·pairs.· Each twisted pair was encapsulated in a --
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`15· ·originally in paper and then in plastic.· Since these
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`16· ·are laid sometimes under the ground or they're
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`17· ·hanging on a pole, sometimes water can get on them,
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`18· ·particularly when they're underground.· So what you
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`19· ·would literally do is you would pump very dry air
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`20· ·into them, and that would keep the water, if there
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`21· ·was a flash flood, from flooding the cable, keep the
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`22· ·cable dry.
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`23· · · · · · ·The monitoring equipment was looking at all
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`24· ·the things that were monitoring the flow and
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`25· ·diagnosing, if all of a sudden there was a sudden
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`·1· ·increase in flow or a drop in pressure, where the
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`·2· ·particular problem was, so again, you knew where to
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`·3· ·send people to take care of it.· That was just the
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`·4· ·cable pressurization part.
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`·5· · · · Q· · Okay.· Then you left Technicom in 1988,
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`·6· ·correct?
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`·7· · · · A· · Correct.
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`·8· · · · Q· · Okay.· Do you remember when in 1988?
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`·9· · · · A· · No.
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`10· · · · Q· · Your next position was at ADK Pressure
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`11· ·Equipment.
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`12· · · · A· · Right.· Sometime within that year, we'd
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`13· ·helped sell off the company, so I -- I joined ADK
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`14· ·Pressure Equipment Corporation, which had similar
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`15· ·products, and I was helping them develop new products
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`16· ·for their -- for their product lines.
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`17· · · · Q· · Okay, but similar products to what you were
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`18· ·talking about before?
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`19· · · · A· · Yes, monitoring products.
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`20· · · · Q· · Okay.· And then you left ADK in 1990,
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`21· ·correct?
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`22· · · · A· · Correct.
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`23· · · · Q· · The next employment you have listed is
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`24· ·Sequent Learning Networks in 2011?
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`25· · · · A· · Well, be clear, I was --
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`·1· · · · Q· · I understand.· We'll get into the -- the --
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`·2· · · · A· · Yeah, what happened was I actually started
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`·3· ·A.T. Brody & Associates, which I then incorporated
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`·4· ·either in 19 -- probably 1991.· Over time, I helped a
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`·5· ·friend of mine who was setting up his company
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`·6· ·starting in 2001.· His name is Steven Haines, and I
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`·7· ·joined the company for about two years from 2011 to
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`·8· ·2012 to do some new areas they were trying to get
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`·9· ·into, help explore those areas.· So that's why it's
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`10· ·listed 2011-2012.· Steven was actually a client of
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`11· ·mine back in -- when I -- in 1991, '92, '93, when I
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`12· ·first went into my consulting practice.
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`13· · · · Q· · Okay, and as you mentioned, from 1990 to
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`14· ·the present -- to the present, you're also the
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`15· ·president and principal consultant of A.T. Brody &
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`16· ·Associates?
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`17· · · · A· · That's correct.
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`18· · · · Q· · Does that -- is it a company or is it a --
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`19· · · · A· · It's an S corporation.
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`20· · · · Q· · S corporation?· Is it okay if I just call
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`21· ·it a company just to -- for -- I'm not trying to
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`22· ·imply any legal meaning to it.· Just so that we're
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`23· ·talking on the same language.· Is that how you refer
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`24· ·to it?
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`25· · · · A· · Yes, that's my company.
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`·1· · · · Q· · Does the company have any employees?
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`·2· · · · A· · No.
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`·3· · · · Q· · Has it ever had any employees?
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`·4· · · · A· · No.
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`·5· · · · Q· · So you're the principal.· Are you the only
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`·6· ·principal?
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`·7· · · · A· · Yes, I'm -- I'm the only principal of the
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`·8· ·company and I own all of the shares.
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`·9· · · · Q· · Okay.· Do you have any contract help or
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`10· ·part time or something other than an employee?
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`11· · · · A· · No.· The -- what happens is when there's
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`12· ·large jobs, and I will have some people that I will
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`13· ·work with, and they'll either be part of the job and
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`14· ·paid directly by the client, or sometimes they'll be
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`15· ·paid through me.
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`16· · · · Q· · Okay.· Did you have any such help in
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`17· ·preparing any of the declarations for -- '678
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`18· ·declaration or '694 declaration?
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`19· · · · A· · No, I did not.
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`20· · · · Q· · Okay.· So that was just you?
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`21· · · · A· · Yes.
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`22· · · · Q· · Currently for the A.T. Brody & Associates
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`23· ·company, how much of the work is currently litigation
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`24· ·consulting?
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`25· · · · A· · Oh, it's probably 70 -- 70, 80 percent of
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`·1· ·my hours.
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`·2· · · · Q· · Okay.· And by litigation consulting, are
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`·3· ·you including matters such as IPRs?
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`·4· · · · A· · If it's anything having to do with
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`·5· ·intellectual property, whether it's an IPR or a
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`·6· ·litigation, I include that, yes.
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`·7· · · · Q· · Okay.· So what would the other 20 to 30
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`·8· ·percent of your hours be?
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`·9· · · · A· · I would be talking with start-ups and
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`10· ·providing them with guidance, essentially serving as
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`11· ·a go-to person for someone like Steven Haines, share
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`12· ·information, make sure he's aware of certain things.
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`13· ·So most of it's -- and basically doing that, you
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`14· ·know, and counseling sometimes venture capitalists.
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`15· · · · Q· · Okay.· On intellectual property issues or
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`16· ·other issues?
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`17· · · · A· · No, it's usually other issues.
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`18· · · · Q· · Looking at page 93 of your C.V. in the '694
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`19· ·declaration, you have a topic, expert witness, or a
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`20· ·section, expert witness, excuse me.· Do you see that,
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`21· ·sir?
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`22· · · · A· · Yes.
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`23· · · · Q· · Do those include matters for which you
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`24· ·weren't actually testifying, just, say, in a
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`25· ·consulting capacity, or do you -- do these -- for
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`·1· ·this section is it just when you were testifying?
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`·2· · · · A· · No, it includes things where I have not
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`·3· ·issued any opinions.
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`·4· · · · Q· · So the first case listed is Verizon CA
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`·5· ·versus Katz in -- beginning in January of 2003,
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`·6· ·correct?
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`·7· · · · A· · Correct.
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`·8· · · · Q· · Was that your first expert witness
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`·9· ·engagement?
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`10· · · · A· · Yes, it was.
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`11· · · · Q· · And to be clear, when I'm saying expert
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`12· ·witness engagement, I'm also talking about matters
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`13· ·for which you were just a consultant but didn't
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`14· ·actually testify on intellectual property issues.
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`15· · · · A· · Understood, yes.
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`16· · · · Q· · Is that how you would define it, how you
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`17· ·define that section?
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`18· · · · A· · It's probably actually the second.· It's
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`19· ·sort of out of order.· The first -- the next one
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`20· ·listed on the page, Katz versus Cellco Partnership,
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`21· ·was actually the first case --
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`22· · · · Q· · Okay.
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`23· · · · A· · -- which actually started December of 2002.
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`24· · · · Q· · So one month prior to the --
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`25· · · · A· · Yeah.
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`·1· · · · Q· · -- Verizon versus Katz?
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`·2· · · · A· · Yes.
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`·3· · · · Q· · Okay, but it looks like for that second
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`·4· ·one, it's Katz versus Verizon, for both, you're
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`·5· ·engaged on behalf of Katz, cor
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