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` UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
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` BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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`TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION and AISIN SEIKO CO., LTD.,
` Petitioners,
` v.
` INTELLECTUAL VENTURES II, LLC,
` Patent Owner.
` __________
` Case IPR2017-01494
` Patent 7,683,509 B2
` __________
` Washington, D.C.
` Tuesday, June 26, 2018
` CROSS-EXAMINATION OF:
` DR. JOSEPH J. BEAMAN, JR.
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`202-220-4158
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`Henderson Legal Services, Inc.
`www.hendersonlegalservices.com
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`Aisin Seiki Exhibit 1018, pg. 1
`Aisin Seiki v. Intellectual Ventures
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` UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
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` BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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` AISIN SEIKI CO., LTD., TOYOTA MOTOR CORP.
` and AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO., INC.,
` Petitioners,
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` INTELLECTUAL VENTURES II, LLC,
` Patent Owner.
` __________
` Case IPR2017-01539
` Patent 7,683,509 B2
` __________
` Washington, D.C.
` Tuesday, June 26, 2018
` CROSS-EXAMINATION OF:
` DR. JOSEPH J. BEAMAN, JR.
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` Cross-Examination of DR. JOSEPH J. BEAMAN, JR.,
`a witness herein, called for examination by counsel
`for Petitioners in the above-entitled matter,
`pursuant to notice, the witness being duly sworn by
`SUSAN L. CIMINELLI, CRR, RPR, a Notary Public in and
`for the District of Columbia, taken at the offices
`of Knobbe Martens Olson & Bear, LLP, 1700
`Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., Suite 900, Washington,
`D.C., commencing at 9:41 a.m.
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`APPEARANCES:
` On behalf of the Patent Owner:
` TED M. CANNON, ESQUIRE
` Knobbe Martens Olson & Bear, LLP
` 2040 Main Street
` 14th Floor
` Irvine, California 92614
` 949.760.0404
` Ted.Cannon@knobbe.com
` -and-
` JAMES HIETALA, ESQUIRE
` Director
` Post Grant Proceedings
` Intellectual Ventures
` 3150 139th Avenue SE
` Bellevue, Washington 98005
` 425.283.4789
` jhietala@intven.com
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` On behalf of the Petitioners:
` ALYSSA J. HOLTSLANDER, ESQUIRE
` Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett &
` Dunner, LLP
` Two Freedom Square
` 11955 Freedom Drive
` Reston, Virginia 20190-5675
` 571.203.2700
` alyssa.holtslander@finnegan.com
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`APPEARANCES (Continued)
` On behalf of Petitioners:
` ALEXANDER B. ENGLEHART, ESQUIRE
` Oblon, McClelland, Maier & Neustadt, LLP
` 1940 Duke Street
` Alexandria, Virginia 22314
` 703.413.3000
` aenglehart@oblon.com
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` LI GUO, ESQUIRE
` Steptoe & Johnson, LLP
` 1330 Connecticut Avenue, N.W.
` Washington, D.C. 20036-1795
` 202.429.1322
` lguo@steptoe.com
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`DR. JOSEPH J. BEAM, JR. EXAMINATION
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`PREVIOUSLY MARKED EXHIBIT NO. PAGE NO.
`2004 Beaman's declaration in
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`1001 Patent number 7,683,509 10
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`Whereupon,
` DR. JOSEPH J. BEAMAN, JR.,
`was called as a witness by counsel for Petitioners,
`and having been duly sworn, was examined and
`testified as follows:
` EXAMINATION BY COUNSEL FOR PETITIONERS
`BY MS. HOLTSLANDER:
` Q. Good morning.
` A. Good morning.
` Q. Dr. Beaman, could you please state your
`full name and address for the record?
` A. Sure. It's Joseph Jefferson Beaman, Jr.,
`700 Texas Avenue, Austin, Texas.
` Q. And do you understand that you're under
`oath this morning?
` A. Yes, I do.
` Q. And that this means you're sworn to tell
`the truth as if you were in a courtroom with a judge
`and jury?
` A. Yes.
` Q. And there is nothing that will prevent
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`correct?
` A. That's correct.
` Q. If you don't understand any of my
`questions, please ask me to clarify, okay?
` A. Yes.
` Q. Is it fair for me to assume that if I ask
`you a question, and you answer it, that you
`understood what I asked?
` A. Yes, I think so.
` Q. We'll try to take breaks if needed, and
`if you ever need a break, please let me know. I
`just ask that if there is a pending question, that
`you finish that answer before taking a break. Is
`that okay?
` A. Okay. Yes.
` Q. And during the break, you may not discuss
`the substance of your testimony with IV's counsel,
`okay?
` A. Yes.
` Q. You understand that today we are here to
`discuss declarations you prepared related to U.S.
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`Aisin Seiki Exhibit 1018, pg. 8
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`Patent Number 7,683,509, correct?
` A. I believe that's the numbers, yes.
` Q. And is it okay if I refer to that patent
`as the '509 patent today?
` A. Yes, that is okay.
` Q. And specifically, you prepared two
`declarations related to the '509 patent, correct?
` A. That is correct.
` Q. And those declarations were in
`IPR2017-01494 and IPR2017-01539, correct?
` A. I believe that's correct, yes.
` Q. I'm handing you a copy of your
`declaration in IPR2017-01494, which has been
`previously marked as Exhibit 2004 in IPR2017-01494.
` (Exhibit No. 2004 was
` referenced.)
`BY MS. HOLTSLANDER:
` Q. Do you recognize this document?
` A. Yes, I do.
` Q. And what is it?
` A. It's my declaration regarding the
`IPR2017-01494.
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`202-220-4158
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`Aisin Seiki Exhibit 1018, pg. 9
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` A. Yes.
` Q. This is the section titled the broadest
`reasonable interpretation of the claim phrase
`"pathway," correct?
` A. Yes.
` Q. And in this portion of your declaration,
`you state that the term "pathway" in the '509 claims
`means a structural channel, correct?
` A. I believe that's correct. Structural
`channel, yes.
` Q. I'm now handing you a copy of the '509
`patent, which has been previously marked as Exhibit
`1001 in both IPR2017-01494 and IPR2017-01539.
` (Exhibit No. 1001 was
` referenced.)
`BY MS. HOLTSLANDER:
` Q. Have you seen this document before?
` A. Yes, I have.
` Q. And what is this document?
` A. This is the patent number 7,683,509.
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`202-220-4158
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` Q. And could you please turn to figure 14 of
`Exhibit 1001. Please let me know when you're there.
` A. Yes.
` Q. And coolant channels 286 are structural
`channels, correct?
` A. I believe so, yes.
` Q. Could you please turn to figure 20 of
`Exhibit 1001.
` A. Yes. I'm sorry, it was upside down.
` Q. And conduit 452 in figure 20 is a
`structural channel, correct?
` A. I believe that's true, correct.
` Q. No further questions.
` MR. CANNON: I have no questions.
` (Whereupon, at 9:48 a.m. the taking of
`the deposition ceased.)
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`Aisin Seiki Exhibit 1018, pg. 14
`Aisin Seiki v. Intellectual Ventures
`IPR2017-01539
`
`

`

`IPR2017-01494; IPR2017-01539
`Beaman, Jr., Dr. Joseph J.
`
`June 26, 2018
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`202-220-4158
`
`Henderson Legal Services, Inc.
`www.hendersonlegalservices.com
`
`Aisin Seiki Exhibit 1018, pg. 15
`Aisin Seiki v. Intellectual Ventures
`IPR2017-01539
`
`

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