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`BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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`TELESIGN CORPORATION
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`Petitioner
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`TWILIO, INC.
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`Patent Owner
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`Patent 8,755,376
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`IPR Case Number: IPR2017-01977
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`PETITIONER’S MOTION TO EXCLUDE EVIDENCE SUBMITTED BY
`PATENT OWNER UNER 37 C.F.R. § 42.64
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`I.
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`INTRODUCTION
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`Although this proceeding involves a great many issues and Petitioner does not
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`concede that numerous filings are improper, it brings this motion to exclude on only
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`one evidentiary excerpt because of its severity: the Board should exclude paragraphs
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`144-149 of Dr. Negus’s expert declaration EX2010. These paragraphs are merely a
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`conduit for inadmissible hearsay by an interested witness, followed by an
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`unsupported and prejudicial conclusion. Dr. Negus simply repeats back hearsay
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`statements of Mr. John Wolthuis – Patent Owner’s co-founder and named co-
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`inventor of the instant ’376 Patent. Mr. Wolthuis did not submit his own declaration.
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`He was unwilling to provide sworn testimony. Instead, Dr. Negus purports to have
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`heard from Mr. Wolthuis (instead of performing his own analysis) that Patent
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`Owner’s Programmable Voice and Programmable Messaging products practice the
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`challenged claims of the ’376 Patent. The Board should exclude these paragraphs
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`of Dr. Negus’s expert declaration, namely paragraphs 144-148 as well as paragraph
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`149, concluding that Patent Owner’s Programmable Voice and Programmable
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`Messaging products practice the challenged ’376 Patent, because Dr. Negus’s
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`ultimate opinion is not based on sufficient facts or data or the product of reliable
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`principles or methods as Federal Rule of Evidence 702 requires. Petitioner timely
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`served objections to this evidence on June 29, 2018.
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`II. FACTUAL BACKGROUND
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`Dr. Negus opines that secondary indicia of non-obviousness, including the
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`alleged commercial success of Patent Owner’s Programmable Voice and
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`Programmable Messaging products, demonstrate the non-obviousness of the
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`challenged ’376 Patent. EX2010 at ¶¶ 130-158. In an attempt to show the required
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`nexus for his opinions regarding commercial success, Dr. Negus states that he spoke
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`with Mr. Wolthuis – Patent Owner’s co-founder and co-inventor of the challenged
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`’376 Patent. EX2010 at ¶¶ 144-148. According to Dr. Negus, Mr. Wolthuis told
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`him “that the architecture and operating methodologies of [Patent Owner’s]
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`Programmable Voice and Programmable Messaging products follows the teachings
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`of the ‘376 Patent, including at least as described by challenged claim 1 . . . .”
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`EX2010 at ¶¶ 146-148. Based exclusively on these unsubstantiated statements for
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`certain required claim limitations, Dr. Negus concludes that these products practice
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`the ’376 Patent. EX2010 at ¶ 149.
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`III. ARGUMENT
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`Dr. Negus’ ultimate opinion that Patent Owner’s Programmable Voice and
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`Programmable Messaging products practice the challenged ’376 Patent, paragraph
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`149 of EX2010, should be excluded under Federal Rule of Evidence 702 because it
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`is not based on sufficient facts or data or the product of reliable principles or
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`methods. Expert testimony is admissible if offered by a witness qualified as an
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`expert “by knowledge, skill, experience, training, or education,” and if (1) the
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`testimony is based upon sufficient facts or data, (2) the testimony is the product of
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`reliable principles or methods, and (3) the witness has applied the principles and
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`methods reliably to the facts of the case. Fed. R. Evid. 702
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`Here, Dr. Negus simply parrots back Mr. Wolthuis’s statements, which
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`themselves are uncorroborated and conclusory averments that Patent Owner’s
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`Programmable Voice and Programmable Messaging products practice the
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`challenged claims of the ’376 Patent. Critically, this reflects no independent analysis
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`of whether Patent Owner’s Programmable Voice and Programmable Messaging
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`products practice the challenged ’376 Patent claims. Moreover, Mr. Wolthuis’s
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`statements are hearsay under Federal Rule of Evidence 801, do not fall under any
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`hearsay exception, and should therefore be excluded on Federal Rule of Evidence
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`802.
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`“Although experts may rely on hearsay or other inadmissible evidence if
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`experts in their field reasonably rely on such evidence in forming their opinions, see
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`Fed.R.Evid. 703, it is inappropriate for experts to testify as ‘mere conduits for others’
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`hearsay.” United States v. Am. Exp. Co., No. 10-CV-4496 NGG RER, 2014 WL
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`2879811, at *17 (E.D.N.Y. June 24, 2014) (quoting Island Intellectual Prop. LLC v.
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`Deutsche Bank AG, No. 09–CV–2675 (KBF), 2012 WL 526722, at *2 (S.D.N.Y.
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`Feb.14, 2012); Vondrak v. City of Las Cruces, No. CIV 05-0172 JBLFG, 2007 WL
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`2219449, at *3 (D.N.M. May 14, 2007), rev’d in part on other grounds, 535 F.3d
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`1198 (10th Cir. 2008) (“[R]ule 703 of the Federal Rules of Evidence allows an expert
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`to rely on inadmissible facts in reaching an opinion or inference, but does not allow
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`the proponent of the expert testimony to use the expert as a conduit for a party to get
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`in otherwise inadmissible evidence, the Court will not consider those portions of
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`Gaut’s report discussing statements . . . that are hearsay.”). Patent Owner should be
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`precluded from performing an end-run around the rule against hearsay by having its
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`expert Dr. Negus testify in his expert declaration as to unsworn statements of
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`interested witness Mr. Wolthuis’s.
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`Patent Owner might argue that the content in question need not be excluded
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`in favor of giving it little weight. But exclusion is the proper remedy in view of the
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`potential prejudice to Petitioner. The content violates Federal Rules of Evidence
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`702 and 802 and retaining the paragraphs in question would allow Patent Owner to
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`evade exclusion of Mr. Wolthuis’s hearsay statements simply by having its expert
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`repeat the hearsay in a declaration.
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`IV. CONCLUSION
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`For the reasons discussed above, the Board should exclude paragraphs 144-
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`149 of Dr. Negus’s expert declaration EX2010.
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`Dated: October 12, 2018
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`SHOOK, HARDY & BACON, LLP
`2555 Grand Boulevard
`Kansas City, MO 64108
`Tel: (816) 474-6550
`Fax: (816) 421-5547
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`Respectfully submitted,
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`/s/ Chrissie Guastello
`Chrissie Guastello (Reg. No. 58,716)
`Attorney for Petitioner
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`CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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`I hereby certifying that on October 12th, 2018, a copy of the foregoing
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`PETITIONER’S MOTION TO EXCLUDE EVIDENCE SUBMITTED BY
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`PATENT OWNER UNER 37 C.F.R. § 42.6 was served on counsel of record via
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`their email addresses of record:
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`Wayne Stacy, wayne.stacy@bakerbotts.com
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`Sarah J. Guske, sarah.guske@bakerbotts.com
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`Michelle Eber, michelle.eber@bakerbotts.com
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`Dated: October 12, 2018
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`/s/ Dana E. Hardy
`Dana E. Hardy
`Paralegal for Petitioner
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