Trials@uspto.gov
`571-272-7822
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`Paper 26
`Entered: January 28, 2022
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`UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
`
`BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
`
`APPLE INC.,
`Petitioner,
`v.
`MASIMO CORPORATION,
`Patent Owner.
`
`
`IPR2021-00193 (Patent 10,299,708 B1)
`IPR2021-00195 (Patent 10,376,190 B1)
`IPR2021-00208 (Patent 10,258,266 B1)
`IPR2021-00209 (Patent 10,376,191 B1)
`
`
`Before JOSIAH C. COCKS, ROBERT L. KINDER, and
`AMANDA F. WIEKER, Administrative Patent Judges.
`WIEKER, Administrative Patent Judge.
`
`ORDER
`Setting Oral Argument
`37 C.F.R. § 42.70
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`571-272-7822
`
`Paper 26
`Entered: January 28, 2022
`
`UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
`
`BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
`
`APPLE INC.,
`Petitioner,
`v.
`MASIMO CORPORATION,
`Patent Owner.
`
`
`IPR2021-00193 (Patent 10,299,708 B1)
`IPR2021-00195 (Patent 10,376,190 B1)
`IPR2021-00208 (Patent 10,258,266 B1)
`IPR2021-00209 (Patent 10,376,191 B1)
`
`
`Before JOSIAH C. COCKS, ROBERT L. KINDER, and
`AMANDA F. WIEKER, Administrative Patent Judges.
`WIEKER, Administrative Patent Judge.
`
`ORDER
`Setting Oral Argument
`37 C.F.R. § 42.70
`
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`IPR2021-00193 (Patent 10,299,708 B1)
`IPR2021-00195 (Patent 10,376,190 B1)
`IPR2021-00208 (Patent 10,258,266 B1)
`IPR2021-00209 (Patent 10,376,191 B1)
`
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`ORAL ARGUMENT
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`Time and Format
`The Board has considered Petitioner’s and Patent Owner’s requests
`for oral argument in these proceedings. 1 Taking into consideration these
`requests, the oral arguments will commence at 1:00 pm Eastern Time on
`March 15, 2022, by videoconference.2 USPTO facilities remain closed to
`the public due to the state of affairs relating to COVID-19. The Board will
`provide a court reporter for the hearing, and the reporter’s transcript will
`constitute the official record of the hearing.
`Petitioner requests, for each proceeding captioned above, "no more
`than one hour per side for oral argument time, i.e., four hours of total
`argument time per side across all four cases. See, e.g., IPR2021-00195,
`Paper 24. Patent Owner requests a consolidated argument for IPR193,
`IPR195, IPR208, and IPR209, due to overlap across the four proceedings,
`with one hour per side of total oral argument time for all four cases. See,
`e.g., IPR2021-00195, Paper 25.
`Upon considering these requests, we grant oral argument according to
`the following procedure. The four captioned proceedings will be argued
`together and will share a single transcript. Given the overlap in these
`proceedings, statements made during the hearing are applicable to each of
`
`
`1 See IPR2021-00193 (“IPR193”) (Papers 22, 23); IPR2021-00195
`(“IPR193”) (Papers 24, 25); IPR2021-00208 (“IPR208”) (Papers 24, 25);
`IPR2021-00209 (“IPR209”) (Papers 24, 25).
`2 If there are any concerns about disclosing confidential information, the
`parties must contact the Board at Trials@uspto.gov at least ten (10) business
`days before the hearing date.
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`2
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`IPR2021-00193 (Patent 10,299,708 B1)
`IPR2021-00195 (Patent 10,376,190 B1)
`IPR2021-00208 (Patent 10,258,266 B1)
`IPR2021-00209 (Patent 10,376,191 B1)
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`the four proceedings, unless it is explicitly noted that a statement applies to a
`specific proceeding only. Each party will have a total of ninety (90) minutes
`to present argument in these proceedings
`Petitioner will open by presenting its case for unpatentability of the
`challenged patents. Thereafter, Patent Owner will respond to Petitioner’s
`argument. Petitioner may reserve rebuttal time to respond to arguments
`presented by Patent Owner. In accordance with the Consolidated Trial
`Practice Guide3 (“CTPG”), issued in November 2019, Patent Owner may
`request to reserve time for a brief sur-rebuttal. See CTPG 83.
`The parties may request a pre-hearing conference in advance of the
`hearing. See id. at 82. “The purpose of the pre-hearing conference is to
`afford the parties the opportunity to preview (but not argue) the issues to be
`discussed at the oral hearing, and to seek the Board’s guidance as to
`particular issues that the panel would like addressed by the parties.” Id.
`If either party desires a pre-hearing conference, the parties should jointly
`contact the Board at Trials@uspto.gov at least seven (7) business days
`before the hearing date to request a conference call for that purpose. If no
`response is received within two (2) days from the Board, the party
`requesting the conference should call the Board directly to ensure the request
`is being processed.
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`3 Available at https://www.uspto.gov/TrialPracticeGuideConsolidated.
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`3
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`IPR2021-00193 (Patent 10,299,708 B1)
`IPR2021-00195 (Patent 10,376,190 B1)
`IPR2021-00208 (Patent 10,258,266 B1)
`IPR2021-00209 (Patent 10,376,191 B1)
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`Demonstratives
`As set forth in 37 C.F.R. § 42.70(b), demonstratives shall be served on
`opposing counsel at least seven (7) business days before the hearing date and
`filed on or before Friday, March 11, 2022. 4
`Demonstratives are not a mechanism for making new arguments.
`Demonstratives are also not evidence, and will not be relied upon as
`evidence. Rather, demonstratives are visual aids to a party’s oral
`presentation regarding arguments and evidence previously presented and
`discussed in the papers. Accordingly, demonstratives shall be clearly
`marked with the words “DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT
`EVIDENCE” in the footer. See Dell Inc. v. Acceleron, LLC, 884 F.3d 1364,
`1369 (Fed. Cir. 2018) (holding that the Board is obligated under its own
`regulations to dismiss untimely argument “raised for the first time during
`oral argument”). “[N]o new evidence may be presented at the oral
`argument.” CTPG 85–86; see also St. Jude Med., Cardiology Div., Inc. v.
`The Bd. of Regents of the Univ. of Mich., IPR2013-00041, Paper 65, 2–3
`(PTAB Jan. 27, 2014) (explaining that “new” evidence includes evidence
`already of record but not previously discussed in any paper of record).
`Furthermore, because of the strict prohibition against the presentation
`of new evidence or arguments at a hearing, it is strongly recommended that
`each demonstrative includes a citation to a paper in the record, which allows
`the Board to easily ascertain whether a given demonstrative contains “new”
`
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`4 The parties may stipulate to an alternative schedule for serving and filing
`demonstratives, and request the Board to modify the schedule for filing
`demonstratives, at least seven (7) business days before the hearing date.
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`4
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`IPR2021-00193 (Patent 10,299,708 B1)
`IPR2021-00195 (Patent 10,376,190 B1)
`IPR2021-00208 (Patent 10,258,266 B1)
`IPR2021-00209 (Patent 10,376,191 B1)
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`argument or evidence or, instead, contains only that which is developed in
`the existing record.
`Due to the nature of the Board’s consideration of demonstratives and
`the opportunity afforded for the parties to reach an agreement without
`involving the Board, the Board does not anticipate that objections to
`demonstratives are likely to be sustained. Nevertheless, to the extent that a
`party objects to the propriety of any demonstrative, the parties shall meet
`and confer in good faith to resolve any objections to demonstratives prior to
`filing the objections with the Board. If such objections cannot be resolved,
`the parties may file any objections to demonstratives with the Board no later
`than the time of the hearing. The objections shall identify with particularity
`which portions of the demonstratives are subject to objection and include a
`one (1) sentence statement of the reason for each objection. No argument or
`further explanation is permitted. The Board will consider any objections,
`and may reserve ruling on the objections. 5 Any objection to demonstratives
`that is not timely presented will be considered waived.
`Finally, the parties are reminded that each presenter should identify
`clearly and specifically each paper (e.g., by slide or screen number for a
`demonstrative) referenced during the hearing to ensure the clarity and
`accuracy of the court reporter’s transcript and for the benefit of all
`participants appearing electronically.
`
`
`5 If time permits, the Board may schedule a conference call with the parties
`to discuss any filed objections.
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`5
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`IPR2021-00193 (Patent 10,299,708 B1)
`IPR2021-00195 (Patent 10,376,190 B1)
`IPR2021-00208 (Patent 10,258,266 B1)
`IPR2021-00209 (Patent 10,376,191 B1)
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`Presenting Counsel
`The Board generally expects lead counsel for each party to be present
`at the hearing. See CTPG 11. Any counsel of record may present the
`party’s argument as long as that counsel is present by video.
`
`Video Hearing Details
`To facilitate planning, each party must contact the Board at
`PTABHearings@uspto.gov at least five (5) business days prior to the
`hearing date to receive video set-up information.
`As a reminder, all arrangements and the expenses involved with
`appearing by video, such as the selection of the facility from which a party
`will attend by video, must be borne by that party. If a video connection
`cannot be established, the parties will be provided with dial-in connection
`information, and the hearing will be conducted telephonically.
`If one or both parties would prefer to participate in the hearing
`telephonically, they must contact the Board at PTABHearings@uspto.gov at
`least five (5) business days prior to the hearing date to receive dial-in
`connection information.
`Counsel should unmute only when speaking. The panel will have
`access to all papers filed with the Board, including demonstratives. During
`the hearing, the parties are reminded to identify clearly and specifically each
`paper referenced (e.g., by slide or screen number for a demonstrative) to
`ensure the clarity and accuracy of the court reporter’s transcript and for the
`benefit of all participants appearing electronically. In addition, the parties
`are advised to identify themselves each time they speak. Furthermore, the
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`IPR2021-00193 (Patent 10,299,708 B1)
`IPR2021-00195 (Patent 10,376,190 B1)
`IPR2021-00208 (Patent 10,258,266 B1)
`IPR2021-00209 (Patent 10,376,191 B1)
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`remote nature of the hearing may also result in an audio lag, and thus the
`parties are advised to observe a pause prior to speaking, so as to avoid
`speaking over others.
`If at any time during the hearing, counsel encounters technical or
`other difficulties that fundamentally undermine counsel’s ability to
`adequately represent its client, please let the panel know immediately, and
`adjustments will be made. 6
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`Remote Attendance Requests
`Members of the public may request to listen to this hearing. If
`resources are available, the Board generally expects to grant such requests.
`If either party objects to the Board granting such requests, for example,
`because confidential information may be discussed, the party must notify the
`Board at PTABHearings@uspto.gov at least ten (10) business days prior to
`the hearing date.
`
`Audio / Visual Equipment Requests
`Any special requests for audio-visual equipment should be directed to
`PTABHearings@uspto.gov. A party may also indicate any special requests
`related to appearing at a video hearing, such as a request to accommodate
`visual or hearing impairments, and indicate how the PTAB may
`accommodate the special request. Any special requests must be presented in
`
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`6 For example, if a party is experiencing poor video quality, the Board may
`provide alternate dial-in information.
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`7
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`IPR2021-00193 (Patent 10,299,708 B1)
`IPR2021-00195 (Patent 10,376,190 B1)
`IPR2021-00208 (Patent 10,258,266 B1)
`IPR2021-00209 (Patent 10,376,191 B1)
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`a separate communication at least five (5) business days before the hearing
`date.
`
`Legal Experience and Advancement Program (LEAP)
`The Board has established the “Legal Experience and Advancement
`Program,” or “LEAP,” to encourage advocates with less legal experience to
`argue before the Board to develop their skills. Either party may request that
`a qualifying LEAP practitioner participate in the program and conduct at
`least a portion of the party’s oral argument. The Board will grant additional
`argument time to that party, depending on the length of the proceeding and
`the PTAB’s hearing schedule. A party should submit a request, no later than
`five (5) business days before the oral hearing, by email to the Board at
`PTABHearings@uspto.gov. Additional information and a combined LEAP
`Practitioner Request for Oral Hearing Participation and Verification Form is
`available on the LEAP website, www.uspto.gov/leap.
`
`ORDER
`
`Accordingly, it is:
`ORDERED that oral argument for this proceeding shall commence at
`1:00 pm Eastern Time on March 15, 2022, by videoconference, and
`proceed in the manner set forth herein.
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`IPR2021-00193 (Patent 10,299,708 B1)
`IPR2021-00195 (Patent 10,376,190 B1)
`IPR2021-00208 (Patent 10,258,266 B1)
`IPR2021-00209 (Patent 10,376,191 B1)
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`PETITIONER:
`Walter Renner
`Andrew B. Patrick
`Roberto Devoto
`Hyun Jin In
`FISH & RICHARDSON P.C.
`Axf-ptab@fr.com
`patrick@fr.com
`devoto@fr.com
`in@fr.com
`
`PATENT OWNER:
`Joseph Re
`Jarom Kesler
`Stephen Larson
`Jacob Peterson
`KNOBBE, MARTENS, OLSON, & BEAR, LLP
`2JRR@knobbe.com
`2jzk@knobbe.com
`2swl@knobbe.com
`2jup@knobbe.com
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