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`Paper 42
`Date: May 15, 2023
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`UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
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`BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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`CODE200, UAB, TESO LT, UAB, METACLUSTER LT, UAB, and
`OXYSALES, UAB, AND CORETECH LT, UAB,
`Petitioner,
`v.
`BRIGHT DATA LTD.,
`Patent Owner.
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`IPR2021-01492 (Patent 10,257,319 B2)
` IPR2021-01493 (Patent 10,484,510 B2)1
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`MAJOR DATA UAB,
`Petitioner,
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`BRIGHT DATA LTD.,
`Patent Owner.
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` IPR2022-00915 (Patent 10,257,319 B2)
` IPR2022-00916 (Patent 10,484,510 B2)
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`1 The parties are not authorized to use this caption in other papers.
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`IPR2021-01492, IPR2022-00915 (Patent 10,257,319 B2)
`IPR2021-01493, IPR2022-00916 (Patent 10,484,510 B2)
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`Before THOMAS L. GIANNETTI, KEVIN C. TROCK, SHEILA F.
`McSHANE, and RUSSELL E. CASS, Administrative Patent Judges.2
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`McSHANE, Administrative Patent Judge.
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`ORDER
`Granting Requests for Oral Argument
`37 C.F.R. § 42.70(a)
` I. ORAL ARGUMENT
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`A. Time and Format
`Counsel for all the parties in the cases conferred and asked the Board
`whether a single hearing could be conducted in these cases to be set on June
`9, 2023. See IPR2021-01492, Exhibit 3005. 3 The Board agreed that it was
`more efficient to conduct of a single coordinated hearing in these cases. Id.
`The parties request that the coordinated hearing for all the cases be
`conducted remotely by videoconference. Paper 42, 1; Paper 43, 3. The
`parties request that each side be permitted 60 minutes of argument time.
`Paper 42, 1; Paper 43, 2. The respective Petitioners, Code 200 and Major
`Data, agree to split the 60 minutes of total argument time allotted for
`Petitioners. Paper 42, 1.
`We grant the parties’ requests. The cases shall be heard together and
`each side will have 60 minutes of total argument time, with the respective
`Petitioners splitting the allocated time as they see fit. Petitioners will argue
`first and may present their arguments on both cases and may reserve no
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`2 This is not an expanded panel of the Board. It is a listing of all Judges on
`the panels of the above-referenced proceedings.
`3 We cite to the parties’ papers as filed in IPR2021-01492 as representative
`of papers filed in each of the identified proceedings.
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`IPR2021-01492, IPR2022-00915 (Patent 10,257,319 B2)
`IPR2021-01493, IPR2022-00916 (Patent 10,484,510 B2)
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`more than half of their time for rebuttal. Patent Owner will argue second
`and may present its arguments on both cases and may reserve no more than
`half of its time for sur-rebuttal. Petitioners may present rebuttal to respond
`to arguments made by Patent Owner. Patent Owner may present sur-rebuttal
`to respond to arguments made by Petitioners.
`Oral argument will commence at 1 PM ET on Friday, June 9, 2023 by
`video. The Board will provide a court reporter for the hearing, and the
`reporter’s transcript will constitute the official record of the hearing.
`Patent Owner filed a Motion To Seal (Paper 33) that seeks to seal
`portions of the record that purportedly contain confidential information. The
`parties shall confer and notify the Board at least three business days prior to
`the oral hearing by email to PTABHearings@uspto.gov if the parties
`anticipate that confidential information will need to be disclosed at the oral
`hearing. We note that the Board favors public access to oral hearings to
`provide a complete record for public access, as well as for appellate review.
`The parties may request a pre-hearing conference in advance of the
`hearing. See Consolidated Trial Practice Guide4 (“CTPG”), 82. “The
`purpose of the pre-hearing conference is to afford the parties the opportunity
`to preview (but not argue) the issues to be discussed at the hearing, and to
`seek the Board’s guidance as to particular issues that the panel would like
`addressed by the parties.” Id. If either party desires a pre-hearing
`conference, the parties should jointly contact the Board at Trials@uspto.gov
`at least seven (7) business days before the hearing date to request a
`conference call for that purpose.
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`4 Available at https://www.uspto.gov/TrialPracticeGuideConsolidated.
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`IPR2021-01492, IPR2022-00915 (Patent 10,257,319 B2)
`IPR2021-01493, IPR2022-00916 (Patent 10,484,510 B2)
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`B. Demonstratives
`As set forth in 37 C.F.R. § 42.70(b), demonstratives shall be served on
`opposing counsel at least seven (7) business days before the hearing date and
`filed three (3) business days prior to the hearing. A copy of the
`demonstratives should also be sent by email to PTABHearings@uspto.gov.
`Demonstratives are not a mechanism for making new arguments.
`Demonstratives also are not evidence, and will not be relied upon as
`evidence. Rather, demonstratives are visual aids to a party’s oral
`presentation regarding arguments and evidence previously presented and
`discussed in the papers. Accordingly, demonstratives shall be clearly
`marked with the words “DEMONSTRATIVE EXHIBIT – NOT
`EVIDENCE” in the footer. See Dell Inc. v. Acceleron, LLC, 884 F.3d 1364,
`1369 (Fed. Cir. 2018) (holding that the Board is obligated under its own
`regulations to dismiss untimely argument “raised for the first time during
`oral argument”). “[N]o new evidence may be presented at the oral
`argument.” CTPG 85; see also St. Jude Med., Cardiology Div., Inc. v. The
`Bd. of Regents of the Univ. of Mich., IPR2013-00041, Paper 65, 2–3 (PTAB
`Jan. 27, 2014) (explaining that “new” evidence includes evidence already of
`record but not previously discussed in any paper of record).
`Furthermore, because of the strict prohibition against the presentation
`of new evidence or arguments at a hearing, it is strongly recommended that
`each demonstrative include a citation to a paper in the record, which allows
`the Board to easily ascertain whether a given demonstrative contains “new”
`argument or evidence or, instead, contains only that which is developed in
`the existing record.
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`IPR2021-01492, IPR2022-00915 (Patent 10,257,319 B2)
`IPR2021-01493, IPR2022-00916 (Patent 10,484,510 B2)
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`To the extent that a party objects to the propriety of any
`demonstrative, the parties shall meet and confer in good faith to resolve any
`objections to demonstratives prior to filing the objections with the Board. If
`such objections cannot be resolved, the parties may file any objections to
`demonstratives with the Board one day prior to the hearing. The objections
`shall identify with particularity which portions of the demonstratives are
`subject to objection (and should include a copy of the objected-to portions)
`and include a one (1) sentence statement of the reason for each objection.
`No argument or further explanation is permitted. The Board will consider
`any objections, and may reserve ruling on the objections. 5 Any objection to
`demonstratives that is not timely presented will be considered waived.
`Finally, the parties are reminded that each presenter should identify
`clearly and specifically each paper (e.g., by slide or screen number for a
`demonstrative) referenced during the hearing to ensure the clarity and
`accuracy of the court reporter’s transcript and for the benefit of all
`participants appearing electronically.
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`C. Presenting Counsel
`The Board generally expects lead counsel for each party to be present
`at the hearing. See CTPG 11. Any counsel of record may present the
`party’s argument as long as lead counsel is also present.
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`D. Video or Telephonic Hearing Details
`To facilitate planning, each party must contact the Board at
`PTABHearings@uspto.gov at least five (5) business days prior to the
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`5 If time permits, the Board may schedule a conference call with the parties
`to discuss any filed objections.
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`IPR2021-01492, IPR2022-00915 (Patent 10,257,319 B2)
`IPR2021-01493, IPR2022-00916 (Patent 10,484,510 B2)
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`hearing date to receive video set-up information. As a reminder, all
`arrangements and the expenses involved with appearing by video, such as
`the selection of the facility from which a party will attend by video, must be
`borne by that party. If a video connection cannot be established, the parties
`will be provided with dial-in connection information, and the hearing will be
`conducted telephonically.
`If one or both parties would prefer to participate in the hearing
`telephonically, they must contact the Board at PTABHearings@uspto.gov at
`least five (5) business days prior to the hearing date to receive dial-in
`connection information.
`Counsel should unmute only when speaking. The panel will have
`access to all papers filed with the Board, including demonstratives. During
`the hearing, the parties are reminded to identify clearly and specifically each
`paper referenced (e.g., by slide or screen number for a demonstrative) to
`ensure the clarity and accuracy of the court reporter’s transcript and for the
`benefit of all participants appearing electronically. In addition, the parties
`are advised to identify themselves each time they speak. Furthermore, the
`remote nature of the hearing may also result in an audio lag, and thus the
`parties are advised to observe a pause prior to speaking, so as to avoid
`speaking over others.
`If at any time during the hearing, counsel encounters technical or
`other difficulties that fundamentally undermine counsel’s ability to
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`IPR2021-01492, IPR2022-00915 (Patent 10,257,319 B2)
`IPR2021-01493, IPR2022-00916 (Patent 10,484,510 B2)
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`adequately represent its client, please let the panel know immediately, and
`adjustments will be made. 6
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`E. Remote Attendance Requests
`Members of the public may request to listen to and/or view this
`hearing. If resources are available, the Board generally expects to grant such
`requests. If either party objects to the Board granting such requests, for
`example, because confidential information may be discussed, the party must
`notify the Board at PTABHearings@uspto.gov, as discussed above.
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`F. Special Requests
`Any special requests should be directed to
`PTABHearings@uspto.gov. A party may indicate any special requests
`related to appearing at a video hearing, such as a request to accommodate
`deaf or hard-of-hearing individuals and blind or low vision individuals, and
`indicate how the PTAB may accommodate the special request. Any special
`requests must be presented in a separate communication at least five (5)
`business days before the hearing date.
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`G. Legal Experience and Advancement Program
`The Board has established the “Legal Experience and Advancement
`Program,” or “LEAP,” to encourage advocates with less legal experience to
`argue before the Board to develop their skills. The Board defines a LEAP
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`6 For example, if a party is experiencing poor video quality, the Board may
`provide alternate dial-in information.
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`IPR2021-01492, IPR2022-00915 (Patent 10,257,319 B2)
`IPR2021-01493, IPR2022-00916 (Patent 10,484,510 B2)
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`practitioner as a patent agent or attorney having three (3) or fewer
`substantive oral arguments in any federal tribunal, including PTAB. 7
`The parties are encouraged to participate in the Board’s LEAP
`program. Either party may request that a qualifying LEAP practitioner
`participate in the program and conduct at least a portion of the party’s oral
`argument. The Board will grant up to fifteen (15) minutes of additional
`argument time to that party, depending on the length of the proceeding and
`the PTAB’s hearing schedule. A party should submit a request, no later than
`at least five (5) business days before the oral hearing, by email to the Board
`at PTABHearings@uspto.gov. 8
`The LEAP practitioner may conduct the entire oral argument or may
`share time with other counsel, provided that the LEAP practitioner is offered
`a meaningful and substantive opportunity to argue before the Board. The
`party has the discretion as to the type and quantity of oral argument that will
`be conducted by the LEAP practitioner. 9 Moreover, whether the LEAP
`practitioner conducts the argument in whole or in part, the Board will permit
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`7 Whether an argument is “substantive” for purposes of determining whether
`an advocate qualifies as a LEAP practitioner will be made on a case-by-case
`basis with considerations to include, for example, the amount of time that
`the practitioner argued, the circumstances of the argument, and whether the
`argument concerned the merits or ancillary issues.
`8 Additionally, a LEAP Verification Form shall be submitted by the LEAP
`practitioner, confirming eligibility for the program. A combined LEAP
`Practitioner Request for Oral Hearing Participation and Verification Form is
`available on the LEAP website, www.uspto.gov/leap.
`9 Examples of the issues that a LEAP practitioner may argue include claim
`construction argument(s), motion(s) to exclude evidence, or patentability
`argument(s) including, e.g., analyses of prior art or objective indicia of non-
`obviousness.
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`IPR2021-01492, IPR2022-00915 (Patent 10,257,319 B2)
`IPR2021-01493, IPR2022-00916 (Patent 10,484,510 B2)
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`more experienced counsel to provide some assistance to the LEAP
`practitioner, if necessary, during oral argument, and to clarify any statements
`on the record before the conclusion of the oral argument. Importantly, the
`Board does not draw any inference about the importance of a particular issue
`or issues, or the merits of the party’s arguments regarding that issue, from
`the party’s decision to have (or not to have) a LEAP practitioner argue.
`In instances where an advocate does not meet the LEAP eligibility
`requirements due to the number of “substantive” oral hearing arguments, but
`nonetheless has a basis for considering themselves to be in the category of
`advocates that this program is intended to assist, the Board encourages
`argument by such advocates during oral hearings. Even though additional
`argument time will not be provided when the advocate does not qualify for
`LEAP, a party may share argument time among counsel and the Board may,
`at its discretion, permit the more experienced counsel to provide some
`assistance, if necessary, during oral argument, and to clarify any statements
`on the record before the conclusion of the oral argument.
`All practitioners appearing before the Board shall demonstrate the
`highest professional standards. All practitioners are expected to have a
`command of the factual record, the applicable law, and Board procedures, as
`well as the authority to commit the party they represent.
`II. ORDER
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`Accordingly, it is
`ORDERED that oral argument for these proceedings shall commence
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`at 1 PM ET on Friday, June 9, 2023, by videoconference, and shall proceed
`in the manner set forth herein.
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`IPR2021-01492, IPR2022-00915 (Patent 10,257,319 B2)
`IPR2021-01493, IPR2022-00916 (Patent 10,484,510 B2)
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`For PETITIONER:
`Liang Huang
`Wensheng Ma
`MAURIEL KAPOUYTIAN WOODS LLP
`rhuang@mkwllp.com
`vma@mkwllp.com
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`For PATENT OWNER:
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`Thomas M. Dunham
`Elizabeth A. O’Brien
`CHERIAN LLP
`tom@dunham.cc
`elizabetho@cherianllp.com
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