UNITED STATES
`INTERNATIONAL TRADE COMMISSION
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`In the Matter of:
` ) Investigation No.
`CERTAIN SMART THERMOSTATS,
`) 337-TA-1277
`LOAD CONTROL SWITCHES, AND
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`COMPONENTS THEREOF
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`___________________________________
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`OPEN SESSIONS
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`Place:
`Date:
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`July 1, 2022
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` 1 UNITED STATES INTERNATIONAL TRADE COMMISSION
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` 2 Washington, D.C.
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` 3 BEFORE THE HONORABLE CLARK S. CHENEY
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` 4 Chief Administrative Law Judge
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` 5 ___________________________________
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` 6 In the Matter of: ) Investigation No.
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` 7 CERTAIN SMART THERMOSTATS, ) 337-TA-1277
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` 8 LOAD CONTROL SWITCHES, AND )
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` 9 COMPONENTS THEREOF )
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` 10 ___________________________________
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` 12 Remote Hearing
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` 14 International Trade Commission
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` 15 500 E Street, S.W.
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` 16 Washington, D.C.
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` 18 Friday, July 1, 2022
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` 20 EVIDENTIARY HEARING - VOLUME IV - REMOTE
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` 22 The Hearing commenced remotely, pursuant to the
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` 23 notice of the Judge, at 9:00 a.m. EDT.
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` 25 Reported by: Karen Brynteson, FAPR, RMR, CRR
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` 1 APPEARANCES: ** All parties appearing remotely **
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` 2 For Complainant Causam Enterprises, Inc.:
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` 3 JEFFREY M. TELEP, ESQ.
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` 4 DARA KURLANCHEEK, ESQ.
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` 5 BRIAN HILL, ESQ.
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` 6 KATHERINE VESSELS, ESQ.
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` 7 RICHARD C. LUTZ, ESQ.
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` 8 ELLEN MIN, ESQ.
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` 9 King and Spalding LLP
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` 10 1700 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., Suite 200
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` 11 Washington, D.C. 20006
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` 13 CHRISTOPHER C. CAMPBELL, ESQ.
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` 14 King and Spalding LLP
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` 15 1650 Tysons Boulevard, Suite 400
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` 16 McLean, Virginia 22102
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` 18 BRITTON F. DAVIS, ESQ.
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` 19 BRIAN EUTERMOSER, ESQ.
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` 20 PETER SAUER, ESQ.
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` 21 King and Spalding LLP
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` 22 1401 Lawrence Street, Suite 1900
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` 23 Denver, CO 80202
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` 1 APPEARANCES (Continued:)
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` 2 For Complainant Causam Enterprises, Inc.:
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` 3 ABBY L. PARSONS, ESQ.
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` 4 MATTHEW WOOD, ESQ.
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` 5 King and Spalding LLP
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` 6 1100 Louisiana Street, Suite 4100
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` 7 Houston, TX 77002
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` 9 JOHN D. ROEHRICK, ESQ.
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` 10 King and Spalding LLP
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` 11 633 West Fifth Street, Suite 1600
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` 12 Los Angeles, CA 90071
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` 14 RAHUL SARKAR, ESQ.
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` 15 JOSEPH D. ENG, JR., ESQ.
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` 16 King and Spalding LLP
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` 17 1185 Avenue of the Americas, 34th Floor
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` 18 New York, New York 10036
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` 20 NOAH STID, ESQ.
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` 21 King and Spalding LLP
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` 22 601 South California Avenue, Suite 100
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` 23 Palo Alto, CA 94304
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` 1 APPEARANCES (Continued):
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` 2 For Respondent Alarm.com Inc., Alarm.com
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` 3 Holdings, Inc., and EnergyHub, Inc.:
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` 4 DEANNA TANNER OKUN, ESQ.
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` 5 DANIEL F. SMITH, ESQ.
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` 6 JUAN J. GARCIA, ESQ.
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` 7 SUMMER CHU, ESQ.
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` 8 AMS Trade, LLP
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` 9 1133 Connecticut Avenue, N.W.
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` 10 Washington, D.C. 20036
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` 12 KEITH R. HUMMEL, ESQ.
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` 13 SHARONMOYEE GOSWAMI, ESQ.
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` 14 MARC J. KHADPE, ESQ.
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` 15 ALLISON N. KEMPF, ESQ.
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` 16 MATTHEW J. BOGGESS, ESQ.
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` 17 RETLEY G. LOCKE, JR., ESQ.
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` 18 Cravath, Swaine & Moore LLP
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` 19 Worldwide Plaza
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` 20 825 Eighth Avenue
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` 21 New York, New York 10019
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` 1 APPEARANCES (Continued):
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` 2 For Respondent ecobee, inc.:
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` 3 TIMOTHY J. CARROLL, ESQ.
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` 4 STEVEN M. LUBEZNY, ESQ.
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` 5 CATHERINE N. TAYLOR, ESQ.
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` 6 Venable LLP
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` 7 227 W. Monroe Street, Suite 3950
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` 8 Chicago, IL 60606
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` 10 MANNY J. CAIXEIRO, ESQ.
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` 11 Venable LLP
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` 12 2049 Century Park East, Suite 2300
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` 13 Los Angeles, CA 90067
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` 15 MEGAN S. WOODWORTH, ESQ.
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` 16 Venable LLP
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` 17 600 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W.
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` 18 Washington, D.C. 20001
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` 1 APPEARANCES (Continued):
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` 2 For Respondents Resideo Smart Homes Technology,
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` 3 Resideo Technologies, Inc., and Itron Inc., and Itron
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` 4 Distributed Energy Management Inc.:
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` 5 M. SCOTT STEVENS, ESQ.
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` 6 Alston & Bird LLP
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` 7 950 F Street, N.W.
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` 8 Washington, D.C. 20004
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` 10 KIRK T. BRADLEY, ESQ.
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` 11 CHRISTOPHER TL DOUGLAS, ESQ.
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` 12 LAUREN N. GRIFFIN, ESQ.
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` 13 S. BENJAMIN PLEUNE, ESQ.
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` 14 MATTHEW M. TURK, ESQ.
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` 15 Alston & Bird LLP
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` 16 One South at The Plaza
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` 17 101 S. Tryon Street, Suite 4000
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` 18 Charlotte, NC 28280
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` 20 BRADLEY W. MICSKY, ESQ.
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` 21 DENNIS C. BREMER, ESQ.
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` 22 Carlson Caspers Vandenburgh & Lindquist PA
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` 23 225 S. Sixth Street, Suite 4200
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` 24 Minneapolis, MN 55402
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` 1 P R O C E E D I N G S
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` 2 (9:03 a.m.)
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` 3 CHIEF JUDGE CHENEY: We're on the record now in
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` 4 the 1277 investigation. This is the fourth day of the
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` 5 evidentiary hearing.
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` 6 When we left off yesterday afternoon, we were
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` 7 listening to testimony from ecobee co-founder,
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` 8 Mr. Malchiondo.
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` 9 Before we resume that testimony, why don't we
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` 10 see if there are any housekeeping matters from the parties,
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` 11 starting with counsel for the Complainant. Anything?
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` 12 MR. EUTERMOSER: Yes, Your Honor, we would like
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` 13 to admit our list of exhibits that were presented
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` 14 yesterday. We will be sending that to the court reporter
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` 15 shortly, if we haven't already. I understand that
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` 16 Respondents have no objection to that.
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` 17 CHIEF JUDGE CHENEY: Hearing no objection, the
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` 18 evidence will be admitted.
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` 19 (Exhibit list, as submitted by counsel and
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` 20 reflected in the attached index, were received into
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` 21 evidence.)
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` 22 CHIEF JUDGE CHENEY: Anything else from the
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` 23 Complainant's side?
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` 24 MR. EUTERMOSER: Yes, Your Honor, a few more
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` 25 things. Complainant will not be cross-examining
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` 1 CHIEF JUDGE CHENEY: Sorry. Claim 1 of which
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` 2 patent?
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` 3 MS. PARSONS: Sorry, the '268 patent, Your
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` 4 Honor, the one shown on the left.
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` 5 CHIEF JUDGE CHENEY: Okay.
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` 6 MS. PARSONS: So this one says the control power
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` 7 message indicating at least one of either -- I'm inserting
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` 8 the word "either" for example purposes -- either an amount
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` 9 of electric power to be reduced and an identification of at
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` 10 least one controllable device to be instructed to disable.
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` 11 And I'll pause there.
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` 12 So we see that as an either/or because it's
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` 13 indicating at least one of. So the message either
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` 14 identifies the amount of power to be reduced or it
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` 15 indicates a controllable device. So that -- that is just
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` 16 one additional distinction about the power control message
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` 17 under Complainant's read of the infringement.
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` 18 CHIEF JUDGE CHENEY: Okay. And are you relying
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` 19 on one or the other of those?
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` 20 MS. PARSONS: We're relying on both. But we
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` 21 were specific in our proofs. Dr. Madisetti's infringement
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` 22 analysis was specific with respect to the power control
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` 23 messages.
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` 24 CHIEF JUDGE CHENEY: Okay.
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` 25 MS. PARSONS: Did that answer your question? I
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` 1 C O N T E N T S
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` 3 WITNESS DIRECT CROSS REDIRECT RECROSS
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` 4 MARK MALCHIONDO 866 892 895
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` 5 BRIAN D'ANDRADE 899 901
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` 6 DAVIS AUSLANDER 936
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` 7 VIJAY K. MADISETTI 949
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` 9 AFTERNOON SESSION: 973
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` 10
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` 11 CONFIDENTIAL SESSIONS
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` 12 866 - 897
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` 14 E X H I B I T S
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` 15 EXHIBIT NO: RECEIVED
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` 16 COMPLAINANTS
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` 17 CX-848C 951
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` 19 RESPONDENTS
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` 20 RX-390C, RX-950 901
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` 21 EXHIBIT LISTS RECEIVED FOR ADMISSION:
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` 22 COMPLAINANT'S ADMITTED HEARING EXHIBITS (JUNE 30, 2022)
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` 23 Ng Exhibits
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` 24 CX-0114C
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` 25 CX-0208C
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` 1 CX-0299C
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` 2 Amundson Exhibits
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` 3 CX-117C
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` 4 RX-892C
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` 5 Robbins Exhibits
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` 6 CX-0126C
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` 7 CX-0588C
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` 8 CX-0597C
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` 9 RX-398C
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` 10 RX-0827
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` 11 RX-0911C
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` 12 Paradiso Exhibits
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` 13 CX-0114C
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` 14 CX-0117C
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` 15 CX-0184C
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` 16 CX-0296C
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` 17 CX-0298C
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` 18 RX-0388C
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` 19 RX-0398C
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` 20 Heffernan Exhibits
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` 21 CX-0110C
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` 22 Rosing Exhibits
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` 23 RX-0391C
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` 24 RX-0596
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` 25 Malchinado Exhibits
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` 1 RX-0933
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` 2 RESPONDENTS HEARING EXHIBITS (June 30, 2022)
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` 3 TAJANA ROSING
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` 4 RX-1180
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` 5 DAVID HUTZ
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` 6 RX-0618C
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` 7 RPX-0004C-SC (0000522)
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` 8 RPX-0004C-SC (0000553)
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` 9 Respondents Alarm.com and EnergyHub's Submission of
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` 10 Exhibits to Be Admitted for the Witness
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` 11 David M. Auslander
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` 12 RX-0673C
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` 13 RX-0078
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` 14 RX-0087
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` 15 RX-0090
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` 16 RX-0183
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` 17 RX-0185
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` 18 RX-0188
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` 19 RX-0189
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` 20 RX-0211
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` 21 RX-0212
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` 22 RX-0213
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` 23 RX-0214
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` 24 RX-0215
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` 25 RX-0216
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` 1 RX-0217
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` 2 RX-0221
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` 3 RX-0222
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` 4 RX-0224
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` 5 RX-0225
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` 6 RX-0247
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` 7 David Auslander - Demonstrative Exhibits
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` 8 RDX-0093
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` 9 RDX-0095
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` 10 RDX-0096
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` 11 RDX-0103
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` 12 RDX-0111
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` 13 RDX-0112
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` 14 RDX-0115
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` 15 RDX-0117
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` 16 RDX-0118
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` 17 RDX-0125
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` 18 RDX-0133
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` 19 RDX-0134
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` 20 RDX-0137
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` 21 RDX-0139
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` 22 RDX-0140
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` 23 RDX-0147
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` 24 RDX-0155
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` 25 RDX-0156
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` 1 RDX-0159
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` 2 RDX-0161
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` 3 RDX-0162
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` 4 RDX-0169
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` 5 RDX-0177
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` 6 RDX-0178
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` 7 RDX-0180
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` 8 RDX-0181
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` 9 COMPLAINANT'S ADDITIONAL ADMITTED HEARING EXHIBITS FOR DR.
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` 10 MADISETTI'S OPENING REPORT (JULY 1, 2022)
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` 11 CX-0108
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` 12 CX-0110
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` 13 CX-0114
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` 14 CX-0116
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` 15 CX-0117
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` 16 CX-0119
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` 17 CX-0121
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` 18 CX-0123
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` 19 CX-0128
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` 20 CX-0287
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` 21 CX-0304
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` 22 CX-0366
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` 23 CX-0390
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` 24 CX-0418
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` 25 CX-0605
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`1002
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`CX-0620
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`CX-0621
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`CX-0649
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`CX-0650
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`CX-0654
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`CX-0668
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`CX-0669
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`CX-0672
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`CX-0674
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`10
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`CX-0675
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`11
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`12
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`CX-0677
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`CX-0678
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`13
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`CX-0679
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`14
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`CX-0680
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`CX-0681
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`16
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`CX-0682
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`17
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`CX-0683
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`18
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`CX-0684
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` 1002
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` 1 CX-0620
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` 2 CX-0621
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` 3 CX-0649
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` 4 CX-0650
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` 5 CX-0654
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` 6 CX-0668
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` 7 CX-0669
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` 8 CX-0672
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` 9 CX-0674
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` 10 CX-0675
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` 11 CX-0677
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` 12 CX-0678
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` 13 CX-0679
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` 14 CX-0680
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` 15 CX-0681
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` 16 CX-0682
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` 17 CX-0683
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` 18 CX-0684
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` 19 CX-0685
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` 20 CX-0686
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` 21 CX-0687
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` 22 CX-0688
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` 23 CX-0689
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` 24 CX-0780
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` 25 CX-0788
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`19
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`CX-0685
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`CX-0686
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`CX-0687
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`CX-0688
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`CxX-0689
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`CX-0780
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`CX-0788
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` 1 CX-0789
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` 2 CX-0790
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` 3 COMPLAINANT'S ADMITTED HEARING EXHIBITS (JULY 1, 2022)
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` 4 Madisetti Rebuttal Exhibits
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` 5 CDX-0003C
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` 6 CX-0085
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` 7 CX-0086
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` 8 CX-0087
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` 9 CX-0088
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` 10 CX-0091
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` 11 CX-0092
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` 12 CX-0096
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` 13 CX-0166C
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` 14 CX-0167C
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` 15 CX-0271C
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` 16 CX-0272C
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` 17 CX-0511C
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` 18 CX-0771
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` 19 CX-0777C
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` 20 CX-0779C
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` 21 CX-0832C
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` 22 CX-0833C
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` 23 CX-0835C
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` 24 CX-0838C
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` 25 CX-0843
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` 1 CX-0846
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` 2 CX-0848
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` 3 CX-0850C
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` 4 CX-0851
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` 5 CX-0853
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` 6 CX-0855
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` 7 CX-0856
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` 8 CX-0857
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` 9 CX-0858
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` 10 CX-0859
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` 11 JX-0001
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` 12 JX-0002
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` 13 JX-0003
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` 14 JX-0004
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` 15 JX-0005
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` 16 JX-0006
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` 17 JX-0007
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` 18 JX-0008
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` 19 RX-0001C
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` 20 RX-0021
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` 21 RX-0022
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` 22 RX-0082
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` 23 RX-0089
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` 24 RX-0090
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` 25 RX-0183
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` 1 RX-0185
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` 2 RX-0211
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` 3 RX-0213
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` 4 RX-0214
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` 5 RX-0215
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` 6 RX-0216
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` 7 RX-0222
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` 8 RX-0224
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` 9 RX-0225
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` 10 RX-0227
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` 11 RX-0299
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` 12 RX-0850C
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` 13 RESPONDENTS' SUBMISSION FOR BRIAN D'ANDRADE
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` 14 RDX-0005C
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` 15 RX-0390C
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` 16 RX-0950
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` 17 RESPONDENTS' SUBMISSION FOR MARK MALCHIONDO
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` 18 CX-0222C
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` 19 CX-0437C
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` 20 RDX-0006C
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` 21 RX-0399C
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` 22 RX-0797C
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` 1 CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER
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` 2 TITLE: Certain Smart Thermostats, Load Control Switches,
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` 3 and Components Thereof
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` 4 INVESTIGATION NO: 337-TA-1277
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` 5 HEARING DATE: July 1, 2022
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` 6 LOCATION: Washington, D.C. - Remote
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` 7 NATURE OF HEARING: Evidentiary Hearing
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` 8 I hereby certify that the foregoing/attached
` transcript is a true, correct and complete record of the
` 9 above-referenced proceedings of the U.S. International
` Trade Commission.
` 10 Date: July 1, 2022
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` 11 SIGNED:
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` 12 Signature of the Contractor of the
` Authorized Contractor's Representative
` 13 1220 L Street, N.W., Suite 206
` Washington, D.C. 20005
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` I hereby certify that I am not the Court Reporter
` 15 and that I have proofread the above-referenced transcript
` of the proceedings of the U.S. International Trade
` 16 Commission, against the aforementioned Court Reporter's
` notes and recordings, for accuracy in transcription in the
` 17 spelling, hyphenation, punctuation and speaker
` identification and did not make any changes of a
` 18 substantive nature. The foregoing/attached transcript is a
` true, correct and complete transcription of the
` 19 proceedings.
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` 20 SIGNED:
` Signature of Proofreader
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` I hereby certify that I reported the above-referenced
` 22 proceedings of the U.S. International Trade Commission and
` caused to be prepared from my tapes and notes of the
` 23 proceedings a true, correct and complete verbatim recording
` of the proceedings.
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` SIGNED:
` 25 Signature of the Court Reporter
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