`Trials@uspto.gov
`571-272-7822
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`Paper No. 28
`Entered: December 20, 2018
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`UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
`____________
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`BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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`SCHUL INTERNATIONAL COMPANY, LLC,
`Petitioner,
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`v.
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`EMSEAL JOINT SYSTEMS, LTD.,
`Patent Owner.
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`Case PGR2017-00053
`Patent 9,528,262 B2
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`Before GEORGE R. HOSKINS, JAMES A. WORTH, and
`SCOTT C. MOORE, Administrative Patent Judges.
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`HOSKINS, Administrative Patent Judge.
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`ORDER
`Trial Hearing
`37 C.F.R. § 42.70
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`The parties have both requested oral argument in this proceeding
`pursuant to 37 C.F.R. § 42.70. See Papers 24 & 25. The Requests are each
`granted.
`The hearing will commence at 1:30 p.m. Eastern Time on
`February 13, 2019, on the ninth floor of Madison Building East,
`600 Dulany Street, Alexandria, Virginia 22314. This is a different date
`than originally provided in the Scheduling Order (Paper 11), for reasons
`explained in a separate order entered contemporaneously with this order.
`The hearing will be open to the public for in-person attendance, and
`in-person attendance will be accommodated on a first-come, first-served
`basis. The Board will provide a court reporter for the hearing, and the
`reporter’s transcript will constitute the official record of the hearings.
`The parties have both requested 60 minutes of argument time. See
`Papers 24 & 25. Based on the scope of review in this case, each party will
`have 60 minutes of argument time. Petitioner will proceed first to present its
`arguments, then Patent Owner will argue its opposition to Petitioner’s case.
`Petitioner may reserve rebuttal time, in which event any such rebuttal will be
`presented after Patent Owner’s argument. See 35 U.S.C. § 316(e); Aqua
`Prods., Inc. v. Matal, 872 F.3d 1290 (Fed. Cir. 2017).
`Under 37 C.F.R. § 42.70(b), demonstrative exhibits must be served at
`least seven business days before the oral argument. The parties may refer to
`CBS Interactive Inc. v. Helferich Patent Licensing, LLC, IPR2013-00033
`(PTAB Oct. 23, 2013) (Paper 118), regarding the appropriate content of
`demonstrative exhibits. The parties shall meet and confer to discuss any
`objections to demonstrative exhibits. The parties shall file their
`demonstrative exhibits with the Board at least three business days before the
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`hearings. If any issues regarding demonstrative exhibits remain unresolved
`after the parties meet and confer, the parties shall file jointly a one-page list
`of objections to the demonstrative exhibits at least three business days before
`the hearings. For each objection, the list must identify with particularity the
`demonstrative exhibit(s) subject to the objection and include a short,
`one-sentence statement explaining the objection. The panel will consider the
`objections and schedule a conference call if necessary. Otherwise, rulings
`on the objections will be reserved until the hearings or after the hearings.
`Any objection to demonstrative exhibits not presented timely will be
`considered waived. The parties are reminded that the demonstrative exhibits
`presented in these proceedings are not evidence and are intended only to
`assist the parties in presenting their oral argument to the panel.
`Each party shall provide a hard copy of its demonstrative exhibits to
`the court reporter at the hearing. At least one judge may be participating
`remotely via a videoconferencing device and will not be able to view the
`projection screen in the hearing room. The parties are reminded that the
`presenter should identify clearly and specifically each demonstrative exhibit
`(e.g., by slide or screen number) referenced during the hearing to ensure the
`clarity and accuracy of the transcript.
`The Board expects lead counsel for each party to be present in person
`at the hearings. Lead or backup counsel, however, may present the party’s
`argument. If either party anticipates that its lead counsel will not be
`attending the hearings, that party should initiate a joint telephone conference
`with the other party and the panel no later than three business days prior to
`the hearings to discuss the matter.
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`Requests for audio-visual equipment are to be made five business
`days in advance of the hearing date. The request is to be sent to
`Trials@uspto.gov. If the request is not received timely, the equipment may
`not be available on the day of the hearings.
`It is:
`ORDERED that oral argument for this proceeding will commence at
`1:30 p.m. Eastern Time on February 13, 2019, in Alexandria, Virginia.
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`For PETITIONER:
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`Gary Lambert
`David Connaughton
`LAMBERT & ASSOCIATES
`info@lambertpatentlaw.com
`lawclerk@lambertpatentlaw.com
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`James Hudson III
`CRAIN, CATON & JAMES
`jhudson@craincaton.com
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`For PATENT OWNER:
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`Michael Kinney
`MKG, LLC
`kinney@mkgip.com
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