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`BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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`SHURE INCORPORATED,
`Petitioner,
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`CLEARONE, INC.,
`Patent Owner.
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`Record of Oral Hearing
`Held Virtually: Tuesday, December 14, 2021
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`Before KALYAN K. DESHPANDE, JONI Y. CHANG, and
`DAVID C. MCKONE, Administrative Patent Judges.
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`APPEARANCES:
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`ON BEHALF OF THE PETITIONER:
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`Elliot Cook
`Robert High
`Daniel Klodowski
`FINNEGAN, HENDERSON, FARABOW, GARRETT AND DUNNER,
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`elliot.cook@finnegan.com
`robert.high@finnegan.com
`daniel.klodowski@finnegan.com
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`ON BEHALF OF THE PATENT OWNER:
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`Matthew Phillips
`Derek Meeker
`Kevin Laurence
`LAURENCE & PHILLIPS IP LAW
`mphillips@lpiplaw.com
`dmeeker@lpiplaw.com
`klaurence@lpiplaw.com
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`The above-entitled matter came on for hearing on Thursday, December
`14, 2021, commencing at 1:00 p.m. EST, by video/by telephone.
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` JUDGE MCKONE: -- So
`we'll now go on the record. Good afternoon and welcome. We
`are here for a final hearing and post-grant review, PGR2020-
`00079, caption Shure Inc v. ClearOne, Inc. I'll introduce the
`panel. I am Judge McKone. With me are Judges Des- --
`Deshpande and Chang.
` Now we can get the -- the parties' appearances. Who
`do we have appearing on behalf of Petitioner?
` MR. COOK: Hi. Good afternoon. This is Elliott Cook
`on behalf of Petitioner and with me, Judge McKone, we have
`Robert High, also from Finnegan, my co-counsel on the case,
`and Daniel Klodowski also from Finnegan on behalf of the
`Petitioner and also on the line with us Vladimir Arezina,
`counsel but not in this case, but counsel for Shure.
` JUDGE MCKONE: Okay. And the first three people you
`mentioned, yourself, Mr. High and Klodowski, you'll be
`speaking today at some point?
` MR. COOK: Yes, Your Honor.
` JUDGE MCKONE: Okay. Who do we have here on behalf
`of Patent Owner?
` MR. PHILLIPS: You have Matthew Phillips, that's me,
`Your Honor, and Derek Meeker, we're from the law firm
`Laurence & Phillips IP Law.
` JUDGE MCKONE: And who will be doing the speaking
`today for -- for Patent Owner?
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` MR. PHILLIPS: Both myself and Mr. Meeker will.
` JUDGE MCKONE: Okay. All right. We set forth a
`procedure for today's hearing in our oral argument order. As
`a reminder, Patent Owner will have 60 minutes of total
`argument time to present its argument. Petitioner has been
`granted an extra 15 minutes as part of our legal experience
`and advancement program.
` So Petitioner will have a total of 75 minutes to
`present its argument. We re- -- remind Petitioner that it
`must give each of the approved le- -- LEAP practitioners, Mr.
`Klodowski and Mr. High, a meaningful and substantive
`opportunity to argue. Petitioner has the burden of proof and
`will go first. Patent Owner will then present opposition
`argument, also Motion to Amend and its Motion to Exclude.
` Then to the extent that Petitioner has reserved --
`re- -- reserved rebuttal time, Petitioner will present
`arguments in rebuttal. Thereafter, to the extent Patent Owner
`has reserved through rebuttal time, Patent Owner may present
`its surrebuttal.
` Now, for clarity in the transcript and since all of
`the judges and counsel are appearing remotely, when you refer
`to an exhibit on the screen, please identify the exhibit
`number and page number and when you refer to one of your de-
`-- demonstrative slides, please provide the slide number.
` Please don't assume that we can see what you're
`presenting on the screen, but we are able to follow along in
`the documents that -- that you have filed. Counsel should
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`to do even on the judge side. The remote nature of the
`hearing may also result in -- in audio lag and thus, the
`parties are advised to observe a -- a pause prior to speaking
`to -- to avoid speaking over each other.
` If, at anytime during the hearing, you encounter
`technical or other difficulties, please let the panel know
`immediately so that we can make adjustments. There is techni-
`-- technical support listening in and they've probably given
`you some instructions as to what to do if you have technical
`issues and we will try to keep our eyes open for technical
`problems as well.
` As we noted in the hearing order, although we are
`all appearing remotely and there is no physical courtroom,
`members of the public do have the option to attend remotely.
`In the oral hearing order, we requested that if there were
`any concerns about the disclosure of confidential information
`at this hearing, you are to contact the Board.
` I don't believe we received any notice of any
`issues. Petitioner, could you confirm that you do not intend
`to discuss any confidential information today?
` MR. COOK: That is correct, Your Honor. Thank you.
` JUDGE MCKONE: And Patent Owner, could you also
`please confirm?
` MR. PHILLIPS: Confirmed.
` JUDGE MCKONE: Okay. Are there any questions on
`behalf of Patent Owner at this time?
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` MR. PHILLIPS: No, Your Honor.
` JUDGE MCKONE: Are there any questions on behalf of
`Petitioner at this time?
` MR. COOK: No, Your Honor. We appreciate it. Thank
`you.
` JUDGE MCKONE: Okay. Petitioner, would you like to
`reserve a certain amount of time for rebuttal?
` MR. COOK: Yes, Your Honor. What we'd like to do, if
`the Board agrees, is reserve 30 minutes for rebuttal on the
`issue of the Revised Motion to Amend.
` JUDGE MCKONE: Okay. All right. Petitioner, you can
`begin when you're ready.
` MR. COOK: Great. Thank you, Your Honor. What we'd
`like to do, if the Board agrees, is to divide up the argument
`in terms of Mr. Klo- -- Klodowski addressing the -- the
`Section 112 issues and Mr. High addressing the -- the
`obviousness 103 issues and if -- if that works, I'll -- I'll
`turn it over to my colleagues to -- to begin our
`presentation.
` JUDGE MCKONE: Okay. Thank you.
` MR. HIGH: Good afternoon, Your Honors. As my
`colleague, Mr. Cook, said, I'm Mr. High and I'm here today to
`address Petitioner's arguments with respect to the
`obviousness positions. So I'll go ahead and share our
`demonstratives, get those on the screen. I'd like to start
`with slide six.
` In the parties' papers, you've seen ClearOne make
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`several arguments related to the beamforming technology. This
`slide contains two excerpts from the ’653 Patent, which is the
`patent at issue in this proceeding. First, even though most of
`ClearOne's arguments against grounds 6 and 7 from the
`Petition are centered around aspects of beamforming
`technology.
` There's no dispute here that the ’653 Patent did not
`invent beamforming or was not focused, in any way, on an
`improvement to beamforming technology, the ’653 Patent, which
`is Exhibit 1001, includes a section called background art
`where it discusses a traditional beamforming microphone array
`and it even discusses a -- a ceiling-mounted beamforming
`microphone array.
` This section on the slide here, specifically up top,
`includes a heading called problems with the prior art where
`the inventors explained that the traditional approach for
`installing a ceiling-mounted beamforming microphone array
`results in the array being visible to people in the
`conference room and later on in the patent, which is the --
`the passage at the bottom of the screen here, the ’653 Patent
`refers to various beamforming algorithms by name that were,
`"known in the art."
` So the ’653 Patent was not focused on inventing a
`beamforming microphone array. It was not even focused on
`improving the beamforming technology and a beamforming
`microphone array to allow it to be mounted on a ceiling. The
`’653 Patent admits that various beamforming algorithms were
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`known and that ceiling-mounted beamforming microphone array
`is [inaudible].
` So the focus of the ’653 Patent was to try to
`disguise the ceiling-mounted beamforming microphone array in
`a way so that it isn't as noticeable in the room. It's --
`it's purely an aesthetic invention, if you will.
` And in turning to slide 7 now, Dr. Begault, who was
`ClearOne's expert in this proceeding during his deposition,
`Exhibit 1038, admitted that the concept of beamforming was
`known before the filing date of the ’653 Patent and that its
`application to [inaudible] of ways, which is what we did on
`here, had been known since at least the 1990s.
` So there's no dispute here that beamforming was a
`well-known te- -- technology as of 2013. Going back to slide
`two I want to start talking about grounds six and seven in
`the complaint, which are the two obviousness grounds that
`rely on the CTG System. Ground six is the obviousness ground
`based on the CTG System in Levit and ground seven is the
`obviousness ground based on the CTG System, Beaucoup and
`Levit.
` So for ground six, most of the issues are
`undisputed. For example, it's undisputed that CTG had been
`selling microphones designed to be installed in ceiling tiles
`long before the priority date of the ’653 Patent and that the
`CTG System includes acoustic echo cancellation and adaptive
`acoustic process.
` It's also undisputed that Levit discloses the
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`ceiling tile within an acoustically transparent outer surface
`and that it would've been obvious to combine the CTG
`microphones with ceiling tiles like those disclosed in Levit.
`ClearOne has three main and -- and somewhat related arguments
`attacking ground six.
` First, it argues that the FS Series mixers in the
`CTG System do not include beamforming. Second, ClearOne
`argues, based on its construction of a ceiling tile, that the
`CTG System does not include a microphone array combined with
`a single ceiling tile. And third, it argues that the type of
`alleged beamforming performed by the FS Series mixers is a
`secret, meaning the beamforming aspect of the product is not
`prior art.
` For ground seven, the asserted combination relies on
`Beaucoup's teaching of a microphone array -- array and it
`asserts that it would've been obvious to combine a single
`ceiling tile with Beaucoup's circular beamforming microphone
`array similar to how each microphone in the CTG System is
`combined with a single ceiling tile.
` ClearOne does not dispute that Beaucoup discloses a
`beamforming microphone array, that -- that includes
`beamforming, as well as all the other beamforming related
`terms in -- in the claims. ClearOne's focus here is on a lack
`of motivation to combine. Turning to slide four now, I'm
`going to go through where each disputed feature is disclosed
`by the prior art.
` I'm happy to discuss other features as well, but
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`today I'm going to focus just on those that are disputed by
`ClearOne. Also going to discuss the reasons to combine and
`why ClearOne's arguments against the combinations fail.
`Beginning on slide five with where each one feature is
`disclosed or taught in prior art. I'm going to skip ahead now
`to slide eight, which is beamforming microphone array that
`includes beamforming.
` The CTG System includes an FS Series mixer, either
`the FS-400 or FS-800. The product itself is stamped with a
`statement that it includes beamforming technology and the
`sell sheet that accompanies the mixer states that the mixers
`use multiple microphones to measure the difference in time
`and intensity of speech and effectively forms a beam, aims at
`the person speaking and adaptably follows that person as they
`move about the room.
` And Shure's expert, Dr. Vipperman explained that
`this disclosure is consistent with beamforming.
` JUDGE MCKONE: All right. So you're get- -- I have a
`-- a few questions here on -- on that. You seem to be -- be
`relying here on marketing literature to show that in fact a
`system performs beamforming; is that correct?
` MR. HIGH: If you want to characterize this as
`marketing literature, yes, that is correct, as well as Dr.
`Vipperman's analysis of the descriptions of the technology
`that are included within the sell sheet.
` JUDGE MCKONE: Okay. If -- if you prefer sales
`literature, I mean, that's -- that's fine too, I don't want
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` MR. HIGH: Right. And -- and we've been --
` JUDGE MCKONE: However --
` MR. HIGH: -- [inaudible] the sell sheet
`[inaudible], Your Honor.
` JUDGE MCKONE: Okay.
` MR. HIGH: I didn't mean to interrupt you.
` JUDGE MCKONE: But this -- but this isn't a -- a
`document that's supposed to be describing at a technical
`level, the -- the features of this system; correct, this is
`something that's designed to -- to market or sell the system?
` MR. HIGH: It -- it is designed to market or sell
`the system. I -- I think it also describes the technology
`that's included in the system itself. I -- I'm not sure the
`two are -- are mutually exclusive here.
` JUDGE MCKONE: Okay. D- -- now, Dr. Vipperman, did
`he rely on more than just the -- the statement in the -- the
`-- the sales literature?
` MR. HIGH: For the beamforming disclosures, he
`relied on the -- the sales literature and the -- the CTG
`manual, I believe.
` JUDGE MCKONE: Okay. He didn't --
` MR. HIGH: So he -- he did not specifically analyze
`the product. No.
` JUDGE MCKONE: Okay.
` MR. HIGH: He -- he didn't --
` JUDGE MCKONE: He didn't [inaudible]?
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` MR. HIGH: -- he didn't perform any testing on it.
` JUDGE MCKONE: Okay. So he didn't -- so what does
`his testimony add to the -- the sales literature?
` MR. HIGH: His testimony is interpreting what the
`sales literature is saying to a -- a person of ordinary skill
`in the art and -- and applying what those disclosures are to
`the -- the challenged claims in this proceeding.
` JUDGE MCKONE: You can go ahead.
` MR. HIGH: Okay. So moving on to slide nine, the
`same limitation here is undisputedly disclosed by Beaucoup
`and this is for ground seven, Beaucoup discloses a body that
`includes a circular microphone array and a Digital Signal
`Processer, which is DSP here on this slide, that is
`programmed to perform beamforming and for the record here,
`we're -- we're referring to Exhibit 1017.
` Next, skipping ahead to slide 12, which is the
`plurality of microphones positioned at predetermined
`locations. Slide 12 shows how the CTG System positions a
`plurality of microphones at predetermined locations. And the
`image on the left, the triangle, is referred to microphones
`combined with ceiling tiles throughout the room.
` These positions are predetermined to provide
`coverage throughout the room. Slide 13 is specifically --
` JUDGE MCKONE: Before you -- before you move on,
`does -- does the CTG System -- is -- is it your position that
`the CTG System, the mixers know where the -- the -- the
`microphones are placed and -- and use that as part of their -
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` MR. HIGH: So our understanding of the technology,
`which is based on the literature we have, it doesn't
`specifically say that the mixers know the precise distances
`between each microphone, the predetermined locations are --
`are more focused on making sure that there -- there's
`coverage throughout the room, however, Dr. Vipperman's second
`declaration in this proceeding explained how you don't need
`to know the precise distances between the microphones to be
`able to do beamforming.
` JUDGE MCKONE: I remember that he said
`that in his -- his reply declaration, but I'm trying to
`reconcile that with the statements that he made in his
`opening declaration, for example, at paragraph 180, where he
`says, in -- in this sentence, the meaning of predetermined
`locations collapses into the meaning of beamforming, as
`discussed above, such that the spacing between the microphones
`can be known and used in order to perform beam- --
`beamforming.
` Here it looks like he's testifying that -- that the
`-- in the CTG System, it knows where the locations of the
`-- of the microphones are.
` MR. HIGH: So that's -- that's one common technique
`to perform beamforming. So again, you know, Dr. Vipperman
`didn't specifically get a chance to look under the hood and
`analyze the algorithms itself to understand how it's working,
`he was going off of the description of the beamforming, for
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`example, from the sell sheet here.
` So it -- it's possible that that's how the -- the
`CTG System actually works and his understanding of how it
`works, based on this description here, I -- I think, is
`consistent with that possibility.
` So like we don't -- we don't specifically know the -
`- the source code to the -- the FS Series mixers. So I -- I
`think what Dr. Vipperman was saying, in his opening report,
`is that, you know, if you know the -- the precise distances
`between the microphones, then it collapses into beamforming.
` However, even if you don't know the precise
`distances, that doesn't mean you can't do beamforming,
`because you can have geometry agnostic beamforming microphone
`array.
` JUDGE MCKONE: But Dr. Vipperman doesn't know
`whether CTG System is position agnostic or not;
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` MR. HIGH: He does not. What -- what he knows is
`that what the -- the literature that he relied on, as
`describing the technology, is describing beamforming and I
`believe in his second declaration, he -- he said somewhere
`that it doesn't describe the exact manner in terms of how it
`-- it calculates its -- its beamforming algorithm, but -- but
`he said that what it's describing, in Exhibit 1013 here and
`elsewhere, is consistent with beamforming and that there's no
`specific type of beamforming that's required by the claims.
` JUDGE MCKONE: Okay. Thank you.
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` MR. HIGH: Okay. So moving, slide 13, again, the
`same limitation is indisputably disclosed by Beaucoup.
`Beaucoup discloses a circular microphone array that includes
`six equally-spaced directional microphones. So skipping ahead
`now to slide 17, a ceiling tile combined with a beamforming
`microphone array, the CTG System includes a ceiling tile
`combined with a microphone array.
` The image on the left, from the CTG manual, shows
`how one of the CM-01 microphones from CTG is installed in a
`ceiling tile and the image on the right shows 2 of these
`microphones combined into the ceiling tile.
` Slide 18 now, for ground -- ground 7, the asserted
`combination relies on Beaucoup's disclosure of a beamforming
`microphone array and based on how the CTG System teaches
`combining its microphones with a single ceiling tile a person
`of ordinary skill would've found it obvious to combine a body
`with a beamforming microphone array and a DSP that is
`disclosed in Beaucoup with a single ceiling tile. Skipping
`ahead to slide 21 now --
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` MR. HIGH: Sorry.
` JUDGE MCKONE: -- but I -- I will note that there is
`a dispute as to what you presented in the Petition as far as
`what your combination with CTG System and Beaucoup actually
`was. I -- I -- I will let you proceed, but I -- I do want to
`note that -- that by doing so, I'm not acknowledging that
`that is -- what -- what you're presenting now is in fact what
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` MR. HIGH: Un- -- understood. I -- I think our
`Petitioner Reply lays out why we think the argument that
`we're presenting here is consistent with what we stated in
`our Reply and I would note just to get in front of that
`argument, which I'm sure Patent Owner is going to make, that
`there is Federal Circuit case law that is consistent with the
`idea that, you know, a -- a reply brief that further expands
`on explaining an obviousness ground that was included in a --
`in a Petition is not untimely evidence here.
` And the Petition, I -- I think, is consistent with
`the arguments that we're making, both in our Petitioner Reply
`as well as here today. I'm happy to answer any questions you
`have about that, but --
` JUDGE MCKONE: No. I'm -- I'm -- I'm not sure that
`the Federal Circuit would -- their case law would extend to a
`-- a case not properly presented in the Petition and fixed in
`the Reply, but -- but we can -- I -- I can let you proceed
`here and -- and we'll see where it goes.
` MR. HIGH: Okay. Yes, Your Honor. So moving to slide
`21 now, I'll -- I'll add- -- address the -- the reasons to
`combine here and as I mentioned earlier, Clear- -- ClearOne
`doesn't dispute that it would've been obvious to combine the
`CTG System and Levit. So I'm just going to focus on the CTG
`System and Beaucoup combination here with respect to the
`combining a ceiling tile and a beamforming microphone array.
` In slide 22, Dr. Vipperman explained that a person
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`of ordinary skill would've been motivated to combine the CTG
`System and Beaucoup to rely on Beaucoup's digital signal
`processer with a beamforming acoustic echo cancellation and
`noise cancellation or de-reverberation functionality and
`Beaucoup's arrangement of microphones in a single body.
` And again, this is a -- a familiar combination here
`that the patent admits that beamforming was known and even
`beamforming microphone arrays on the ceiling [inaudible] and
`Beaucoup discloses that its DSP executes a beamforming
`algorithm to steer the omnidirectional microphone toward the
`top. Slide 23 --
` JUDGE MCKONE: All right. So the -- the -- I -- I'm
`not -- I'm not sure that -- that -- that this paragraph 207
`provides the -- the why that we might be looking for for
`combining. I mean, you -- you have highlighted ease of
`installation and reduction and potential noise, but that --
`that seems likely the feature in CTG System to begin with.
` At the bottom, you have highlighted a person of
`ordinary skill in the art would have recognized that this
`functionally could efficiently and compactly be implemented,
`but we're looking for why it would have. Could you give us
`some -- some insight into why the skilled artisan would've made
`this combination?
` MR. HIGH: Sure. And -- and I can skip ahead to --
`to slide 24 here, this is Dr. Vipperman's first declaration,
`Exhibit 1002, where he's quoting a -- a CTG white paper that
`was available before the -- the priority date of the ’653
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`Patent, that's undisputed, where this white paper lays out
`several benefits to incorporating microphones on the ceiling
`here. And so Beaucoup's system is -- is --
` JUDGE MCKONE: So these -- the- -- these are
`benefits that are already present in the CTG System. Why is
`this a reason to modify the CTG System with a different
`microphone or a different array of microphones or however you
`want to phrase it?
` MR. HIGH: So Your Honor, I -- I don't think that
`ClearOne can have it both ways here. They're arguing that the
`CTG System doesn't do beamforming.
` They're arguing that the CTG System does what's
`called source tracking and Dr. Begault, in his dec- -- or
`sorry, in his deposition, which is Exhibit 1038 in this
`proceeding, he identifies several advantages that a
`beamforming microphone array would have to a source tracking
`system here, specifically, that it can create a very
`directional beam and control the direction and width of the
`beam and -- and this is from Page 175 starting at line
`17, Page 176, line 20.
` And he identifies three advantages there that a
`beamforming microphone array has over source tracking. So,
`you know, we don't agree that -- that ClearOne is correct,
`that CTG doesn't do beamforming, but if ClearOne is correct
`that CTG does not do beamforming, there is many reasons why
`you would modify that system so that you would have that
`beamforming capability within a ceiling tile.
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` And going back to slide 23, all -- all of these
`technologies are well known and the advantages to beamforming
`are well known. And -- and so I think that the technologies
`are -- are easily combinable. The patent itself admits that -
`- that ceiling-mounted beamforming microphone arrays were
`known in the prior art.
` And so the question of -- of whether there was a --
`a motivation to combine here, I think, is answered by -- by
`the admission from the patent itself, that these technologies
`were known and -- and [inaudible].
` JUDGE MCKONE: No. We're --
`we're looking at evidence here that was presented with the
`Petition and if I remember correctly, Beaucoup was not added
`for the -- the situation where CTG might be found not to
`perform beamforming, rather, Beaucoup was added, in one way,
`shape or form, to show that multiple microphones would be
`positioned in the same housing.
` So how -- how does Dr. Vipperman's testimony, you
`put it on -- on slide 24 -- how does that -- how can that be
`characterized as testimony that -- that shows that in the
`alternative, if we do not find CTG System shows beamforming,
`there would be reasons to add beamforming to it? It sounds
`like that is what the argument you're making now is. How is
`that supported by what was presented in the Petition?
` MR. HIGH: So if you look at the Petition as we're
`doing our limitation by limitation analysis, we specifically
`state alternatively to rely on Beaucoup's disclosures of
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`beamforming there. So I -- I think what -- what we're saying
`there is ground seven is an alternative ground that -- that
`is the line in Beaucoup's disclosures of beamforming and
`CTG's disclosures of combining a microphone with a single
`ceiling tile.
` So I don't want to conflate grounds six and seven
`here. You know, we had an alternate argument in ground six
`where, you know, we said, you know, alternatively it would be
`obvious to place multiple microphones in a single ceiling
`tile. Ground seven was different. Ground seven was
`specifically relying on the beamforming microphone array
`that's disclosed in Beaucoup to -- to provide that
`beamforming microphone array that includes beamforming.
` JUDGE MCKONE: Okay.
` MR. HIGH: So I'll -- I'll skip ahead now and I want
`to jump quickly to start addressing ClearOne's arguments.
`ClearOne makes this argument that a single -- a ceiling tile
`should be construed to mean a single ceiling tile.
` We think that's inconsistent, both with the general
`rule that “a”, it means one or more and it's inconsistent with
`the Federal Circuit case law that says excluding embodiments
`from the specification or it is favored and we'll rest on our
`-- our papers explaining why we think both of these figures,
`from the -- the ’653 Patent that are presented on slide 26
`here, are -- are both fairly characterized as a -- a
`beamforming microphone array combined with a ceiling tile.
` Slide 27, we've addressed this. So I'll skip ahead
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`and go to -- to slide 28 and I just want to point out that
`Dr. Begault's original declaration, he -- he stated that his
`position was CTG System does not do beamforming because
`essentially, we don't know the distances between the
`microphones and in Dr. Vipperman's explained, it explained
`why that's wrong.
` We included several paragraphs explaining how you
`could do what -- what he referred to as blind or geometry
`agnostic beamforming.
` JUDGE MCKONE: So D- -- Dr. Vipperman doesn't know
`if that's what CTG System is actually doing; correct?
` MR. HIGH: Correct.
` JUDGE MCKONE: Okay. Thank you.
` MR. HIGH: Okay. So I want to point out that slide
`29 here, a beamforming microphone, is -- is included in the -
`- in the specification as a -- an -- this nonlimiting
`definition here that says it's used in its broadest sense
`where a beamforming microphone may refer to, but it says one
`or more omnidirectional microphones coupled together that are
`used with a digital signal processing algorithm to form a
`directional pickup pattern it could be different from the
`directional pickup pattern of any individual omnidirectional
`microphone in the array.
` An -- an omnidirectional microphone has an
`omnidirectional pickup pattern, which basically means that it
`-- it has equal sensitivity in all directions.
` And so as long as the pickup pattern is different
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`from that, it -- it meets the -- the broad description of
`beamforming in the patent and we explained in our papers here
`why this -- in -- in slide 3, this figure on the left, we
`think, is a fairly characterized, based on Dr. Begault's
`description, of how it works as being con- -- being
`consistent with that broad description of beamforming.
` Turning to slide 31 now, ClearOne also makes this
`argument that the beamforming portion -- just the beamforming
`portion of the CTG System is secret and therefore, not prior
`art and -- and we just want to point out that, you know,
`there's no requirement that the algorithm itself be public
`for the on-sale bar to apply as well as there's no
`concealment from CTG here that its FS Series mixers included
`beamforming, because it's stamped on the product and -- and
`described in the correspond