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`IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
`EASTERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS
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`SEAGEN INC.,
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`DAIICHI SANKYO CO., LTD.,
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`Defendant, and
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`ASTRAZENECA
`PHARMACEUTICALS LP and
`ASTRAZENECA UK LTD.,
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` Intervenor-Defendants.
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`DEFENDANTS’ SUR-REPLY TO SEAGEN’S MOTION FOR
`JUDGMENT FOR SUPPLEMENTAL DAMAGES AND ONGOING ROYALTIES
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`Case 2:20-cv-00337-JRG Document 483 Filed 10/31/22 Page 2 of 9 PageID #: 21331
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`Seagen’s Reply confirms that Seagen’s request for an ongoing royalty of 10%-12% is
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`unsupported, inappropriate, and should be denied. Contrary to Seagen’s assertion, Defendants
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`have argued—and continue to maintain—that Seagen should not be awarded any ongoing royalty.
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`(See Dkt. 469 at 3, 13.) Awarding an ongoing royalty here would be particularly inequitable
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`because Seagen disclaimed the subject matter that constituted the infringement case it presented
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`to the jury.1 See Cioffi v. Google, Inc., No. 2:13-cv-103, 2017 WL 4011143, at *2 (E.D. Tex. Sept.
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`12, 2017) (“[O]ngoing royalties are a form of equitable relief, and the court may exercise its
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`discretion to conclude that no forward looking relief is appropriate in the circumstances.”). If this
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`Court finds an ongoing royalty is appropriate, however, it should be appreciably lower than 8%.
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`Seagen incongruously frames its requested 10%-12% ongoing royalty as a “modest
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`increase in the royalty from the jury’s implied rate of 8%,” yet also admits its proposed ongoing
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`royalty would result in up to a 50% increase of the jury’s award. (Dkt. 471 at 1; Dkt. 443 at 4.)
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`But Seagen fails to show why an increased ongoing royalty is warranted here. When the Court
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`properly considers developments between the hypothetical negotiation presented at trial and the
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`April 8, 2022 post-verdict hypothetical negotiation date, Seagen’s bargaining power actually
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`decreased, supporting a lower royalty than the 5%-8% advocated by Seagen at trial.
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`Seagen’s Failure to Seek an Injunction Impacts the Hypothetical Negotiation
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`As explained in Defendants’ Opposition, Seagen’s decision not to seek an injunction
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`supports a neutral or decreased ongoing royalty. (Dkt. 469 at 4-5.) Seagen argues that Defendants’
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`1 Seagen argued that ENHERTU® infringes because it allegedly undergoes intracellular cleavage
`to release the drug, but never disputed that a metabolite was formed during this process. (See Dkt.
`442 (Lambert Decl.) ¶ 40.) And it is undisputed that ENHERTU®’s drug moiety is never
`intracellularly cleaved “from the antibody of the antibody-drug conjugate.” (See, e.g., id. ¶¶ 39-
`41; DX-0064 at 8.) Seagen’s arguments and evidence therefore were applicable only to the
`“intracellular metabolite” portion of the intracellular cleavage limitation, which is precisely what
`Seagen disclaimed.
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`position “ignores decisions to the contrary.” (Dkt. 471 at 1.) But Seagen’s interpretation of these
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`cases is misguided. Seagen contends that Paice LLC v. Toyota Motor Corp., 609 F. Supp. 2d 620
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`(E.D. Tex. 2009) stands for the broad proposition that the absence of an injunction is not a factor
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`in the hypothetical negotiation and that “[t]he framework for an ongoing royalty rate presumes that
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`there is no injunction.” (Dkt. 471 at 2.) This is incorrect. The Court in Paice narrowly found that
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`an ongoing royalty may still be awarded “when injunctive relief is not appropriate under the eBay
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`four-factor framework.” 609 F. Supp. 2d at 623-24. The Court in Paice did not find that the threat
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`of an injunction—or lack thereof—has no impact on the bargaining power of the parties or the
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`actual ongoing royalty rate. Rather, the Court stated that “[i]n many ongoing royalty negotiations,
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`the threat of a permanent injunction serves as a big stick, essentially framing negotiation in terms
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`of how much an adjudged infringer would pay for a license to continue its infringing conduct.”
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`Id. at 624. In fact, the plaintiff in Paice did seek an injunction, but the injunction was denied. Id.
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`at 622. Seagen does not contest that here, Seagen did not—and does not intend to—seek an
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`injunction at all. Accordingly, the Paice decision is not instructive as to how Seagen’s decision
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`not to seek an injunction impacts any ongoing royalty rate that may be awarded.
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`The out-of-district opinion in Arctic Cat Inc. v. Bombardier Rec. Prods., Inc., No. 14-cv-
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`62369, 2017 WL 7732873 (S.D. Fla. Jan. 3, 2017) similarly is not instructive here. Although the
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`court in Arctic Cat awarded an increased ongoing royalty, the opinion does not discuss the impact
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`a lack of injunction may have on an ongoing royalty rate. Instead, the court makes one reference
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`to an “injunction” in a footnote where it notes that the Paice court rejected the argument that an
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`ongoing royalty may not be awarded where an injunction is not warranted. Id. at *3 n.3.
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`Seagen also disregards the court’s decision in EMC Corp. v. Zerto, Inc., No. 12-cv-956,
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`2017 WL 3434212 (D. Del. Aug. 10, 2017), which completely undermines Seagen’s argument.
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`Case 2:20-cv-00337-JRG Document 483 Filed 10/31/22 Page 4 of 9 PageID #: 21333
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`The court in EMC Corp. squarely addressed whether the lack of an injunction may impact an
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`ongoing royalty rate. Relying on this Court’s decision in Paice, the court found that while an
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`ongoing royalty should still be awarded despite rejecting plaintiff’s request for a permanent
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`injunction, the lack of injunction “weigh[ed] against granting [plaintiff] a higher ongoing royalty
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`rate.” Id. at *3. Thus, contrary to Seagen’s assertion, the case law holds that while the lack of an
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`injunction does not prevent a court from awarding an ongoing royalty, the absence of the threat of
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`an injunction—the “big stick”—militates against increasing the royalty rate and instead supports
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`a lower (or at least neutral) rate. (See Dkt. 469 at 3-5.)
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`Seagen also cites to a case involving DSC’s subsidiary, Plexxikon, to argue that DSC has
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`acknowledged that the absence of an injunction is not a factor in the hypothetical negotiation. (See
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`Dkt. 471 at 2; Chivvis Decl., Ex. B.) Nowhere in Plexxikon’s motion for ongoing royalties nor in
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`the district court’s subsequent order was there any discussion on the impact of Plexxikon seeking
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`or not seeking an injunction upon the ongoing royalty rate at issue. (See Chivvis Decl., Ex. B; see
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`also Plexxikon Inc. v. Novartis Pharms. Corp., No. 4:17-cv-4405, 2022 WL 4591792 (N.D. Cal.
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`Sept. 29, 2022).) Plexxikon’s motion also notes that, far from an increased ongoing royalty,
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`Plexxikon sought “an ongoing royalty . . . less than half the rate awarded by the jury,” which
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`clearly distinguishes the position advanced by Plexxikon from Seagen’s present motion for an
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`increased ongoing royalty. (See Chivvis Decl., Ex. B, at 15 (emphasis added).)
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`Seagen Continues to Assume Improper Inferences from the Jury’s Verdict
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`Seagen again claims that the jury’s award of $41.82 million necessarily implies that the
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`jury awarded an 8% royalty rate. (Dkt. 471 at 4.) The jury did not, however, award a particular
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`royalty rate, a fact that Ms. Distler conceded. (Distler Dep. (Sep. 15, 2022) Tr. at 78:13-79:19;
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`see also Dkt. 469 (Decl.) ¶ 10.) Seagen also makes the unsupported assertion that the jury’s award
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`somehow indicates that the
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`Case 2:20-cv-00337-JRG Document 483 Filed 10/31/22 Page 5 of 9 PageID #: 21334
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`most comparable. (Dkt. 471 at 4.) While the
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`in the jury’s verdict supports Seagen’s contention that the jury found the
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`most comparable. (Dkt. 469 (Decl.) ¶ 12.)
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`As Defendants explained in their Opposition, Ms. Distler and Dr. Meyer discussed
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`numerous agreements at trial on which the jury may have relied when determining damages. (Dkt.
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`469 at 6.) Most notably, the jury was presented with the
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`never addresses the
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`declaration. (Dkt. 471 at 4.) This Court should reject Seagen’s attempt to support a 10%-12%
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`ongoing royalty based on the false premise that the jury somehow endorsed the
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` in rendering its verdict. See VLSI Tech. LLC v. Intel Corp., No. 6:21-CV-057-ADA,
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`2022 WL 1477725, at *11 (W.D. Tex. Mar. 18, 2022) (“Any argument that the verdict was based
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`on a [specific] agreement is entirely speculative.”).
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`C.
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`No Changed Circumstances Support an Increased Ongoing Royalty
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`Seagen argues that the post-verdict hypothetical negotiation should take place after the date
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`of final judgment (Dkt. 471 at 3 n.1) but the law is plain that the date of the “new hypothetical
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`negotiation occurs on the date of the jury verdict.” Cioffi, 2017 WL 4011143, at *4. The Court
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`should therefore limit its consideration of events from the related PTAB proceedings to the
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`PTAB’s institution of post-grant review on April 7, 2022 (one day before the jury’s verdict), which
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`presented a significant likelihood that the PTAB would invalidate all asserted claims. And even
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`if the PTAB’s post-verdict de-institution decision on July 15, 2022 was legally relevant, it too casts
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`significant doubt on the strength of the ’039 patent. Seagen expressly disclaimed Claims 6-8 of
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`the ’039 patent and the PTAB subsequently entered an adverse judgment as to those claims, which
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`by definition narrows the scope of the patent.2 Seagen has no credible rebuttal to the fact that this
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`disclaimer by Seagen and adverse judgment dedicates an aspect of the alleged claimed subject
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`matter to the public and creates a substantial risk that all claims of the ’039 patent may be found
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`invalid (see Dkt. 442), both of which decrease the value of the ’039 patent in a post-verdict
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`negotiation and counter against awarding any increased ongoing royalty rate.
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`Seagen also reiterates that additional FDA approvals for ENHERTU® since the pre-verdict
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`hypothetical negotiation “mean that Enhertu is more valuable to DSC than in the original
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`hypothetical negotiation, giving Seagen greater bargaining leverage.” (Dkt. 471 at 5.) Yet Ms.
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`Distler’s original expert report discussed the high probability of success for ENHERTU®’s clinical
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`trials, including comparing its efficacy to Tukysa, as a factor supporting her 5%-8% pre-verdict
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`royalty rate. (See Dkt. 469 at 13; Dkt. 469 (Decl.) ¶ 25-26.) Seagen cannot double count
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`ENHERTU®’s clinical successes in its grab for an unwarranted increased ongoing royalty. Indeed,
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`in her original expert report, Ms. Distler relied on 2030 projections for ENHERTU® that were even
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`higher than current 2030 projections. (See Dkt. 469 at 10-11.) And Seagen has no answer to the
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`fact that the undisputed testimony from the only clinician to testify in the case, Dr. Ko, is that
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`Tukysa and ENHERTU® do not actually compete but are instead “allies.” (Id. at 13.)
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`CONCLUSION
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`For the reasons explained above, Seagen’s Motion should be denied. In the alternative, if
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`the Court disagrees, Defendants respectfully reiterate their request that Seagen’s proposed ongoing
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`royalty rate of 10%-12% be rejected, and that any supplemental damages or ongoing royalty
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`awarded be appreciably lower than 8%.
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`2 See Dkt. 469 at 7. Dr. Meyer’s alleged lack of understanding of the legal import of Seagen’s
`disclaimer does not help Seagen’s position, as Dr. Meyer is not a legal expert. (Dkt. 471 at 4.)
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`Case 2:20-cv-00337-JRG Document 483 Filed 10/31/22 Page 7 of 9 PageID #: 21336
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`Dated: October 21, 2022
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`By: /s/ Preston K. Ratliff II
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`Deron R. Dacus
`State Bar No. 00790553
`ddacus@dacusfirm.com
`THE DACUS FIRM, P.C.
`821 ESE Loop 323, Suite 430
`Tyler, Texas 75701
`Telephone: 903.705.1117
`Facsimile: 903.581.2543
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`J. Mark Mann
`State Bar No. 12926150
`mark@themannfirm.com
`G. Blake Thompson
`State Bar No. 24042033
`Blake@themannfirm.com
`MANN | TINDEL | THOMPSON
`300 West Main Street
`Henderson, Texas 75652
`Telephone: 903.657.8540
`Facsimile: 903.657.6003
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`Of Counsel:
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`Preston K. Ratliff II
`prestonratliff@paulhastings.com
`Ashley N. Mays-Williams
`ashleymayswilliams@paulhastings.com
`PAUL HASTINGS LLP
`200 Park Avenue
`New York, New York 10166
`Telephone: 212.318.6000
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`Jeffrey A. Pade
`jeffpade@paulhastings.com
`PAUL HASTINGS LLP
`2050 M Street NW
`Washington, DC 20036
`Telephone: 202.551.1700
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`Attorneys for Defendant Daiichi Sankyo
`Company, Limited
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`Case 2:20-cv-00337-JRG Document 483 Filed 10/31/22 Page 8 of 9 PageID #: 21337
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`Dated: October 21, 2022
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`By: /s/ David I. Berl
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`David I. Berl
`dberl@wc.com
`Jessamyn S. Berniker
`jberniker@wc.com
`Thomas S. Fletcher
`tfletcher@wc.com
`Jessica L. Pahl
`jpahl@wc.com
`Kathryn S. Kayali
`kkayali@wc.com
`Kevin Hoagland-Hanson
`khoagland-hanson@wc.com
`Andrew L. Hoffman
`ahoffman@wc.com
`Angela Gao
`agao@wc.com
`WILLIAMS & CONNOLLY LLP
`725 Twelfth Street, N.W.
`Washington, DC 20005
`Telephone: 202.434.5000
`Facsimile: 202.434.5029
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`Jennifer Parker Ainsworth
`Texas State Bar No. 00784720
`jainsworth@wilsonlawfirm.com
`WILSON, ROBERTSON & CORNELIUS,
`P.C.
`909 ESE Loop 323, Suite 400
`Tyler, Texas 75701
`Telephone: 903.509.5000
`Facsimile: 903.509.5092
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`Attorneys for Intervenor-Defendants AstraZeneca
`Pharmaceuticals LP and AstraZeneca UK Ltd.
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`CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
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`The undersigned hereby certifies that all counsel of record who have consented to
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`electronic service are being served with a copy of this document via electronic mail on October
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`21, 2022.
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